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Episode Summary

In this episode of Third Space Indy, host Michael Zarick converses with Jalen Roseberry, the new Executive Director of DATHOUSE, about her journey from a coffee shop patron to a community leader. They delve into the essence of Third Spaces and how genuine, consistent engagement with local businesses can foster community spirit and meaningful relationships. Jalen shares insights about managing diverse initiatives within DATHOUSE, including a coffee shop, laundromat, and coworking spaces, and highlights the challenges and rewards of running a small nonprofit. The episode also explores Jalen's numerous activities and interests as a self-proclaimed 'ultimate dabbler,' ranging from her involvement in local nonprofit boards to organizing community dance parties. The conversation underscores the importance of showing up for your community and the organic growth of communal bonds through sustained effort.
00:00 Building Genuine Community Connections
01:13 Introduction to Third Space Indy
01:43 Meet Jalen Roseberry
02:12 The Story of Lincoln Lane Coffee
07:07 The Evolution of DATHOUSE
11:31 Challenges and Leadership in Nonprofits
19:06 The Ultimate Dabbler
35:38 Monster Truck Rally Adventures
37:00 Women in Monster Truck Driving
38:10 Cat Calls: A Space for Women and Queer Folk
38:31 Themes and Dress Codes for Events
39:39 Canned Questions and Third Spaces
43:45 Memories of Past Third Spaces
46:43 Books and Reading Habits
50:24 Movie Discussions and Favorites
59:34 Wrapping Up and Final Thoughts

Episode Transcript

Jalen Roseberry

[00:00:00] Jalen Roseberry: But no, I think, yeah, I have limits to my dabbles that I will do, but I think just showing up genuinely, like, and repeatedly, I don't know how many amazing relationships I have with so many small businesses and just, and not that you do it for like perks or love or whatever, but it's like you, that's what you get.

That's how it ends up being. When you show up genuinely and you really like pour into other people and they, and they see you for that people want to give back to you. People want to give you a better experience. . And that's why I think I do have like this rosy colored glass version of my city, because it is so wonderful for me.

But it wasn't because it, it didn't just happen like inorganically. Like it's, no, it happened over a long period of time and with a lot of concerted effort. And it's like, I didn't really, really realize that's what I was doing. Like, as a young adult, like you don't realize like, oh, that, that is how you build community.

But then once you finally catch on, you're like, oh, that's right. That you were doing it all along. And then now it's been really easy to continue. So

[00:01:13] Michael Zarick: Hello, my name is Michael Zarick, and this is Third Space Indy. In 1989, a man named Ray Oldenberg wrote a book called The Great Good Place. In this book, he coined the term the third place. And what this is, is a place outside of your home and outside of your work where you can go build community, be with others, and just be Yes.

So I have made it my goal to find people all over Indianapolis who are doing their very best to create spaces like this.

[00:01:43] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah.

[00:01:43] Michael Zarick: And so today my guest is Jalen Roseberry.

[00:01:47] Jalen Roseberry: Hello.

[00:01:47] Michael Zarick: Uh, the, I, you, your title just changed, so I really don't know. Yeah, you're like the,

[00:01:52] Jalen Roseberry: I'm the executive director now of that house.

[00:01:54] Michael Zarick: Yeah. Big, big hot shit

[00:01:56] Jalen Roseberry: down in Yeah, that is,

[00:01:57] Michael Zarick: oh wait, that sounds negative.

[00:01:58] Jalen Roseberry: No, it doesn't. It's, it is a flaming hot. Dumpster fire that is, um, no. It's a new transition and it's chaos and it's, it's good and it's exciting and I feel on fire sometimes.

[00:02:12] Michael Zarick: Does, does the average person know of it as DATHOUSE or is it the average person just know it as Lincoln Lane Coffee?

[00:02:16] Jalen Roseberry: Correct. Okay. Lincoln Lane is typically what people know us for or will come in forward because we're pretty, we're decently advertised as a local Indy coffee shop. Um, especially if you're familiar with the south side, but in general, people come in for coffee and then realize like, oh, this is a part of a bigger story here.

[00:02:36] Michael Zarick: When I walked, so I was here a couple weeks ago, Uhhuh, uh, with Savannah Jacob?

[00:02:40] Jalen Roseberry: Yes, I'm j

[00:02:40] Michael Zarick: um, and when I walked in I said, oh, there's laundry in here. Yeah. And I said, that was like, oh, that, that was like a, my light bulb moment. I was like, oh, there's like stuff I knew there was stuff that went on here. Mm-hmm.

But then it was like, when you see laundry that I think is a different, um. Thing. Yeah. Like it's, it's almost like an a home away from home. Yes. And actually I met someone who I got coffee with who was like, Michael, I wish there was a place I could go and do laundry with my friends and hang out. And

[00:03:07] Jalen Roseberry: you were like, oh,

[00:03:08] Michael Zarick: I need to actually message her about this.

[00:03:10] Jalen Roseberry: And also, um, I do believe Loom right in Broad Ripple. Is that

[00:03:15] Michael Zarick: Oh, in SoBro.

[00:03:16] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah.

[00:03:16] Michael Zarick: I've never actually gone inside of Loom.

[00:03:18] Jalen Roseberry: I'm pretty sure that, yeah, there's also laundry and cocktails. Like I think I knew there

[00:03:22] Michael Zarick: were cocktails.

[00:03:22] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah. So there's also laundry there. So North Side Got your laundry and hang out there.

South side. We got you covered. That's

[00:03:30] Michael Zarick: so funny. Yeah. So how did you, um. Stumble into your new spot.

[00:03:35] Jalen Roseberry: Wow, that's a perfect way to describe how I've gotten most of my involvement.

[00:03:39] Michael Zarick: I feel like most of your life

[00:03:41] Jalen Roseberry: is this

[00:03:41] Michael Zarick: involvement. Yeah. We're gonna get into that a little

[00:03:43] Jalen Roseberry: bit. Yeah. But no, I did stumble into this role by just, uh, being here for a very long time and having love and passion for this space and the idea of community.

And third, I've always said third spaces as well, so I know came from third place, but I've always, yeah. Loved, um, and been really passionate about third spaces in general. So came in as a coffee shop patron back in 2017, and now I'm an executive director, so there was a lot of levels in between that. But,

[00:04:13] Michael Zarick: so you don't live in Bates Hendricks where we are.

[00:04:15] Jalen Roseberry: No.

[00:04:15] Michael Zarick: So how did you. Come in as a patron,

[00:04:18] Jalen Roseberry: uh,

[00:04:18] Michael Zarick: enough to get a job here.

[00:04:20] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah, so I, um, because I was graduating college that weekend, um, and I just, we used to go like hang out at different coffee shops. We were pretty early on and like the, we were the hipsters of the coffee shop scene back in the, in the day.

And so yeah, we used to go just try and find different coffee shops and this one had come up and it had only been open for like six months. And I was like, how did I not know that this was like right over here? Because I am historically a south sider, grew up on this side of town. So I was like, how did I not know?

This is my backyard. It's like eight minutes away from me. So came in and found it and just had a really wonderful experience with, um, our volunteers that were behind the bar at the time. And I was like, this is so great and I'm gonna come back every week. And then I did.

[00:05:06] Michael Zarick: And then you never,

[00:05:07] Jalen Roseberry: and then I never, ever left and it has a choke hold on me.

And I'm here now. So

[00:05:11] Michael Zarick: when I came in last time, you were doing taxes. Yeah, so I, it truly has a choke hold on you. Uh,

[00:05:18] Jalen Roseberry: yeah, no, it's not like there are a lot of great parts and there's a lot of learning parts that I'll be doing.

[00:05:23] Michael Zarick: Um, what has your role like changed as a result of like running the place? Or are you doing a lot of the same stuff?

Uh, yeah. Other than taxes?

[00:05:32] Jalen Roseberry: Both. Um, so before I was more just managing all of the initiatives that are in the building, so kind of more of like operations building manager, so managing the coffee shop, the laundromat, the coworking space. We have one of those upstairs. We also have multiple private offices in our coworking spaces and in the back of our building.

Mm-hmm. Um, so like managing all of that was kind of my day to day. And now, um, the exciting part about that is now I have built up a really good team to take over, like the managing of the coffee shop, which is a, the huge to do in itself. Mm-hmm. Much less run the rest of the building. Um, so having that taken care of, now I can help manage some of these other things.

But I also can do the community stuff where I get to actually go do more of the relationship building and the connecting and the resources and the things and the people. Like, I feel like I'm really, that's my strength. Like people are my, are my purpose. So to be able to like kind of get out from behind the bar and do that is mostly where I feel like the biggest change is gonna be.

And then the learning curve of all of the backside of running a nonprofit, which that's the part I'm not looking forward to at all.

[00:06:36] Michael Zarick: So I think there's a lot of that, uh, sentiment in the nonprofit space where it's like, oh my God,

[00:06:41] Jalen Roseberry: it's very challenging.

[00:06:42] Michael Zarick: I got into this to like help children and now I'm, now I'm filling out grant forms all day.

[00:06:47] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah, exactly. Every anyone in the non-profit world can commiserate about that, but it is part of the work and it's something we must do. So we do it.

[00:06:57] Michael Zarick: So what is like, actually I'm gonna ask the question from the previous guests sooner than I would otherwise, but before then, can you tell me like. Gimme like a giant overview of DATHOUSE.

[00:07:10] Jalen Roseberry: Oh, sure.

[00:07:10] Michael Zarick: And like what your view of it. Like what do you

[00:07:13] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah, so that house has had many iterations.

[00:07:16] Michael Zarick: Is it dat or That

[00:07:16] Jalen Roseberry: Dat, okay. DAT.

[00:07:18] Michael Zarick: Okay. So that's what I thought. Yeah. I just didn't wanna sound like

[00:07:19] Jalen Roseberry: a fool,

[00:07:20] Michael Zarick: what

[00:07:20] Jalen Roseberry: I said. No, no, no. DATHOUSE. Like DATHOUSE over there is very funny and it's a fun acronym and it's a fun thing to say.

But, uh, DATHOUSE is, stands for three Greek word Dueloas, agape and tapeino, which is servant love and humility. So that is the dat of the house. Mm-hmm. So, and the house is, it originated out of a double here on E Street in Bay Hendricks. It was a group of neighbors that truly just wanted to help and do, see their community be built up and be more, um, in, you know, community with each other.

Mm-hmm. And so it was a concerted effort to do that. And we didn't get this space until 20, uh, 2011. Uh, and then it took about two and a half years. Of remodeling and getting it up to snuff for, to be a community space in 2014. But all that to say that's, that house has truly just been a community building nonprofit that is like the most baseline way I can describe us because it has changed a lot over the years.

As does a community and as does your neighborhood, as, as the economy changes. Yeah. As your neighbors coming, the city coming now, are the, the city in general growing and um, certain neighborhoods being affected by that and historically here on the south side, we are, we're a lower socioeconomic neighborhood.

Um, and really our goal was to build a healthy mixed income neighborhood because we were seeing gentrification happen so swiftly and at a rate that we weren't able to really help, you know, like, um, counterbalance it. So that was really one of our missions for a long time and it still very much is. Um, but we've kind of.

Been plowing through the gentrification part of it. Um, but essentially, yeah, like that, that house is a space for neighbors and by neighbors and whatever it's needed to look like. As the neighborhood has changed, we've just tried to, um, respond and adapt. And that's how we got our laundromat was where the gym is across the street.

That used to be a laundromat that closed down. Our neighbors were in a pinch, didn't have a way to do their laundry, so we said, okay, we'll try to do a little laundromat. Uh, the coworking space was a result of COVID, of people saying, oh my gosh, we need a place outside of our homes to be able to work because we're dying in here.

You know, or our children are not helping us get our work done. Imagine that. Yeah. Um, so we created a coworking space. Um, our, one of our community members who rents our offices in the back is our behavioral, um. A behavioral therapy company, supportive community innovations. And they've been partnered with us for, um, a couple years now.

And that was a need. Like he really loved our mission and our space and he is like, we would love to be able to set up a home base here for our clients. And we said, okay. And we converted our two back rooms and offices. So we really, truly are just, um, we started having a need again for, we used to have Toddler Tuesdays back in the day.

Mm-hmm. And we had a lot of young families. Well, now it looks like we have a ton of young families, and I know last time you're here, it was a lot more ruckus and going on because we had a ton of kiddos and babies and dogs and everything happening. And that's kind of what the day to day is like. So yeah.

We are truly kind of just a responsive adaptive community building nonprofit.

[00:10:23] Michael Zarick: Yeah. Did you ever watch that old animated movie? Uh, robots?

[00:10:26] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah.

[00:10:27] Michael Zarick: There's the, the wine they always said like over and over again, see a need, fill a need.

[00:10:31] Jalen Roseberry: Correct.

[00:10:31] Michael Zarick: That's like, just like you.

[00:10:32] Jalen Roseberry: I love that. That's perfect. That's a very great way to describe that house.

So I know that was like the longest. Roundabout way of describing, but we're just so multifaceted that that's always been a challenge, is our storytelling and really getting our message out about what we are and who we are, because we aren't really, we don't have any specifics. So we're truly just like a grab bag of like, you need something?

Sure. We'll figure it out.

[00:10:56] Michael Zarick: And you, you're in service of the people who live here, which

[00:10:58] Jalen Roseberry: is the Yes. And hopefully beyond, like, it's not just Bates, like we would say we're like to the Indy proper, or if there's someone somewhere that needs a space that makes sense for it to be here, then we love that. And we're all, and our biggest asset is our space because we're a very small team.

It's me. And we have, like I said, Emily, our new coffee shop manager, and then we have our baristas that are part-time and help out. And other than that, that's it. And we make it happen. So yeah, like being able to leverage our space and use it, that's what, that's the biggest thing that we can offer. So

[00:11:29] Michael Zarick: I love that.

[00:11:30] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah.

[00:11:31] Michael Zarick: Uh, so normally I ask this at the very end, but I'm gonna ask it right now. Very, it's, it's topical. Um, so every episode I ask a question from the previous guest. Uh, the previous guest is NAYA Anthony, who's the founder of Sapphic Social Indy. Yeah. Um, and she asks, how do you think of your own leadership and how does that manifest for you?

[00:11:53] Jalen Roseberry: Wow. Um, that's a good question. My own leadership, I have to say, I feel like I've. Imposter syndrome, who does not,

[00:12:04] Michael Zarick: frankly.

[00:12:05] Jalen Roseberry: Um, it feel, I, and it's funny because literally as a young adult when like, I was just in my, used to work, um, actually for a program under Lily, so more corporate philanthropy side, so, um, very different world.

And I used to always say like, yeah, I don't really see myself being an executive director. Like, I don't see myself being in charge of an, I was like, that just doesn't, uh, I'm like, I'm really a supportive, like, I don't know, like the number one team builder type of person. And I love being the second in command and like following out, you know, orders.

And then here I am, um, just a, you know, a mere a few years later and I am now in leadership. So, and everyone that I have said like, yeah, I did feel imposter about it or mm-hmm. I feel like, um. That I ne didn't necessarily want to be in that position. They all say that that probably will make me a good leader.

Um, which I hope, I hope so. Um, but I'm very much a, I'm a laid, I know everyone has different learning styles. I have. Um, and just 'cause we work with so many types of people and individuals around here that like, I think it has really helped me to be like, as long as the job gets done in a good way, please carry it out in the way that makes sense for you.

Like there are of course standards, but uh, it's not a free for all. But at the same time, um, I really can say like, I feel like it's been really good that I've, I've been challenged to learn how to delegate a lot, which, um, asking for help in general or like that was a big learning task of being a manager over the last four years of running the shop and got, got a lot better at that.

Um, but yeah, and learning how to over communicate too, just 'cause we are, even though we're a small team, because we all have so many other like. Playing parts in our lives and have other responsibilities. Like we can't over communicate enough just because we all have so much going on. Like there's so many things that can just, oh my gosh, I forgot to tell you that.

And then little slips through the cracks. Mm-hmm. So to speak. So

[00:14:09] Michael Zarick: when I was, um, ask, talk about over communication, we used to call, um, when I was in leadership at my summer camp years and years ago, we came up with the acronym scat, which is gross, but um, it's stood for a simple communication all the time.

Yeah. And we got it on like, I think I still have the mug. That's greatt scat on the mug. That's

[00:14:30] Jalen Roseberry: good.

[00:14:31] Michael Zarick: And it's like, uh, just like talking about, 'cause it used to be like things would fall through the cracks. So instead of, uh. Uh, just like saying something and expecting someone to hear you out and, uh, remember it, it's like keep telling them over and over and over again.

So they're just like, you cannot ignore me.

[00:14:49] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah.

[00:14:50] Michael Zarick: Which I guess is also carried over into professional life too. 'cause a lot of times you gotta reach out to people multiple times.

[00:14:55] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah. You got a little, little tap, little nudge and remind them. And so I guess, yeah. A to round out that question, my leader, I think my leadership style is like just, um, hopefully a humble and benevolent person.

[00:15:08] Michael Zarick: That's what we can all wish for ourselves.

[00:15:10] Jalen Roseberry: Yes. And, and hopefully people feel comfortable coming to me and talking to me and I, yeah. I don't know. There's a lot more, I, I try to just let things not be, um, a catastrophe or like a big deal, I guess, or let it, I don't know. Just because there's so much bigger things happening in the world.

So sometimes it's like, like one of our employees, she's like, like there I, I broke another espresso shot glass, and I was like, yeah. I was like, I broke a jar last week and a syrup pump, so that's okay. We'll get more. You know, and like some people, you know, like maybe that would've been a bigger to-do and it's just like, I don't care about a shot glass.

Like I think it'll be okay. Yeah. You know, I don't know. I just like to be very, I feel like I'm very millennial in that way. I was like, we've been to through, through too many like world just catastrophes and travesty that I'm like,

[00:16:03] Michael Zarick: and we are of the generation who gets to watch it all too. Yeah. Like that's the other, it's like just, it's the pushed into your brain by the little dopamine machines we carry around, so.

[00:16:14] Jalen Roseberry: No. Absolutely.

[00:16:16] Michael Zarick: Um, what's like your biggest, uh, on the other hand, like biggest concern with your, with your new role? I, that's hard.

[00:16:25] Jalen Roseberry: Probably just my con it's always to do with me. I feel like I'm like, maybe I'm a narcissist, but, but I'm like, I was, I'm like, I'm humble and Benyu, but I'm also a narcissist.

When,

[00:16:36] Michael Zarick: when you are the head of a, are you the only full time employee?

[00:16:40] Jalen Roseberry: Correct.

[00:16:40] Michael Zarick: Okay. So when I feel like when you're in that position, it becomes in a lot of ways about you.

[00:16:44] Jalen Roseberry: It's more so I'm just like, I'm scared of failing my community. That is one of my, I think that's my bit like, and like, it's likes failure.

It's like no one and every single person that I, we told that like, yes, this is who's like, this is session plan and Jalen's coming, stepping in and like. Literally no one blinked to eye. And we're like, oh yeah, that's absolutely the thing that makes sense. And it's just like everyone else can, and it's like, no one else has any doubts, and it's all just me.

You know? Mm-hmm. Going back to the very first statement of like, are you sure you want me to do this job? Um, but like, I have been doing it and I've done it for, you know, I've been doing the same work, it's just Yeah. Switching my day to day a little bit. So, um, but also my biggest concern always is as a small nonprofit funding.

[00:17:30] Michael Zarick: Yeah.

[00:17:31] Jalen Roseberry: Um, because we don't have grant writers, I didn't actually go to school for this or, and grant, and as a lot of grant writers know it's not, it's, it's very, you know, particular and you gotta make sure you're writing what they wanna see and hear and making sure that you have a lot of data and things like that.

And when you're small, it's hard to do a lot of that in depth tracking and being really precise on reporting. And like I said, we already struggle with our storytelling of like saying like, who we are and what we are. So, yeah, there's just, there's a lot that goes into that. But, and we're mostly supported truly by our business sponsors who are like our neighbors, our local community members that they sponsor us, they, um, and then we have personal donors.

And then outside of that, it's just revenue from bringing in our, from our initiatives and other people or like, and the people that pay rent and things like that. Mm-hmm. That keep us sufficient. So always funding is a concern. Yeah. So, um, yeah, if you always, if you wanna give, whether that's your time, talent, or your treasure, you come on down and you see me and we, I've

[00:18:36] Michael Zarick: never heard someone use the word treasure in that context.

Yeah. That's so funny.

[00:18:39] Jalen Roseberry: That's a very much a philanthropy, term is time, talent, and treasure.

[00:18:43] Michael Zarick: We used to, um, I probably shouldn't say this, why I'm gonna say it. The old, uh, CEO of, uh. The YMCA in Louisville. We used to call him the Dragon because Oh,

[00:18:53] Jalen Roseberry: like Smaug and he's sitting on the treasure. I have

[00:18:56] Michael Zarick: sm about my arms, don't I, Don Dunno if he was actually paid that well, but we just, it was the running joke.

That's good. We just used call him the dragon.

[00:19:02] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah, that's fun.

[00:19:03] Michael Zarick: Because of his treasure.

[00:19:04] Jalen Roseberry: I do love dragons though.

[00:19:06] Michael Zarick: Um, so let's, uh, switch speeds or, yeah, I always say pivot. I, I've, I get on my own nerves by saying pivot

[00:19:13] Jalen Roseberry: shift.

[00:19:14] Michael Zarick: When we met, let me tell the story.

[00:19:16] Jalen Roseberry: Oh yeah.

[00:19:16] Michael Zarick: It was really short. It's not even a long story, but we, uh, shout out to Casey Springer.

[00:19:22] Jalen Roseberry: Woo.

[00:19:22] Michael Zarick: Yes. My GOAT, uh, we walk Indy. Yes. I can't use the other term.

[00:19:26] Jalen Roseberry: No, it's for

[00:19:28] Michael Zarick: Badden.

[00:19:29] Jalen Roseberry: For Baden.

[00:19:30] Michael Zarick: Um, I always showed up to her last walk of last year. Uh, and you happened to be there and I do, do not remember how we ended up speaking. I think

[00:19:41] Jalen Roseberry: I was probably just talking in a circle and you probably

[00:19:44] Michael Zarick: heard me say, say something crazy.

I do recall a key dog and me probably mentioning the cute dog.

[00:19:48] Jalen Roseberry: Artie, I think

[00:19:48] Michael Zarick: it

[00:19:49] Jalen Roseberry: was. Uh, and

[00:19:50] Michael Zarick: why do you know that? '

[00:19:52] Jalen Roseberry: cause it's Sophie's fault.

[00:19:53] Michael Zarick: I think what it also was, is there was that, uh, group that was the, it was like the gym group.

[00:19:58] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah.

[00:19:59] Michael Zarick: And then Anytime Fitness and then anyone, Anytime Fitness, and then everyone else.

Yes. And we were part of the, everyone else. So that's why I walked over to you, because I was like, I don't know.

[00:20:06] Jalen Roseberry: You were like, I don't know what's going on.

[00:20:07] Michael Zarick: Um, and the thing that you said to me was, it's not the word serial. There's a different word, but you said effectively I am a serial dabbler.

[00:20:18] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah. Um,

[00:20:19] Michael Zarick: what's the word you used?

[00:20:22] Jalen Roseberry: Oh my God.

[00:20:23] Michael Zarick: The word dabbler was definitely used.

[00:20:24] Jalen Roseberry: No, abso Oh my, I say this all the time and now I caught you back that you've, you've caught me. Um, oh. But yeah, no, I am, I am a, I'm like a chronic dabbler. A serial dabbler, a. Oh my God, this is gonna drive me insane. I'll report back everyone when I remember what my, I'm gonna

[00:20:49] Michael Zarick: put it on the, I always post the like promo image instead of, instead of like, DATHOUSE, it's gonna be serial or whatever the word is, dabbler.

Just under your name. Oh my God.

[00:20:59] Jalen Roseberry: Ultimate.

[00:20:59] Michael Zarick: Ultimate.

[00:21:00] Jalen Roseberry: That's what it was. I'm the ultimate

[00:21:01] Michael Zarick: dabbler. Ultimate dabbler.

[00:21:02] Jalen Roseberry: That's what it is.

[00:21:04] Michael Zarick: That makes sense.

[00:21:04] Jalen Roseberry: Thank you.

[00:21:05] Michael Zarick: What is your, uh, what are you dabbling in right now? Unless, sorry. Have you been, has your job, has your job absorbed you?

[00:21:12] Jalen Roseberry: Not quite yet.

[00:21:12] Michael Zarick: Okay, good.

[00:21:13] Jalen Roseberry: No.

And

[00:21:13] Michael Zarick: you have

[00:21:14] Jalen Roseberry: still

[00:21:14] Michael Zarick: dabbling?

[00:21:15] Jalen Roseberry: Yes. So I sit on two other, I'm secretary of two other non-profit boards, so that always keeps me busy. So I sit on IF theaters board. So if you've never been to a, if theater show or, um, better let the people better know, know what that is first. Um, IF theater is a nonprofit theater and it's also known better as Indy Fringe.

Um, but we are have rebranded as the theater as if theater home of the Indy Fringe Festival, but we are a year round producing theater. So definitely go check out some shows Bat Boy the musical's coming up here soon, uh, this month and into March. So that's really fun and should be a good time. And then I also sit on the board of West Indy Development, which is the low income housing, um, nonprofit for the Indys West side where I am a resident.

So I thought it would be important to get to know my actual community in which I live in, um, a little better and more closely. And so I sit over there and do that. And then I have a dance party coming up. I'm throwing my one year anniversary party cat calls. I guide an anchor. Um, I work as a bar. I bartend at Eighth Day Distillery.

[00:22:22] Michael Zarick: Forgot about that.

[00:22:23] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah. Um, and first Friday is. Tomorrow. So I'll be there, um, on Friday. And also working frigid digits and silent book club over there this month. So, um, that's probably the, aren't

[00:22:34] Michael Zarick: you,

[00:22:34] Jalen Roseberry: you're

[00:22:34] Michael Zarick: also like a big activity or didn't you like, do like, weren't you on, like pickleball or something?

[00:22:38] Jalen Roseberry: Oh, I play bocce.

[00:22:39] Michael Zarick: Oh, bocce ball.

[00:22:40] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah. It's, it's a little chilly for bocce at the moment, um, unless you play the indoor version. But I play yes, with the Italian Heritage Society here in Indy at the, in their league. And then I've used to play table tennis. You

[00:22:52] Michael Zarick: never once struck me that bocce ball is Italian in origin, but that

[00:22:56] Jalen Roseberry: makes perfect sense.

Oh, that's certainly, yes.

[00:22:57] Michael Zarick: It sounds very Italian.

[00:22:58] Jalen Roseberry: Oh yeah. You shouldn't have like red wine in your hand while you play. It's good. Or a cannoli.

[00:23:04] Michael Zarick: It's true. It sounds like something you'd watch on, like meet the parents or like in that type of thing. It's, or like a a, a Stanley Tucci movie where he is holding.

Yeah.

[00:23:11] Jalen Roseberry: Oh, he would be perfect to play bocce. Like quintessential. Um, but yeah, so like bocce table tennis, we walk, um, yeah, like I am a lead for, we Walk Indy. So walking club things, uh, yeah. I would go to a, a Zumba class here and there. Like truly, like if there's a fun random activity that's happened in the city, I've probably, oh, I also kayak a lot.

Frank, shout out Frank's livery. Um, they've even considered giving me my own discount code 'cause I go so much when it's nice out because why are we not using our beautiful, lovely water? Like we have a body of water in our backyard.

[00:23:54] Michael Zarick: One of my previous guests, uh, Edfu Java always makes one of the White River.

He's a huge waterway guy. Yeah. Loves waterways, but he like uses the word navigable in quotes all the time. He goes the navigable White River.

[00:24:07] Jalen Roseberry: It's like, yes, there are certain parts that are un not navigable at all. Indeed, yes. But I, uh, yeah, I'd be on the White River. I, my goal is I wanna, especially in Indiana, I wanna try to like hit all like Kayak.

[00:24:20] Michael Zarick: Have you hooked up with the White River? Is it coalition or,

[00:24:24] Jalen Roseberry: um, like Indy Parks Alliance and like Friends of White River?

[00:24:27] Michael Zarick: That's what I was

[00:24:27] Jalen Roseberry: looking at. Yeah. Yeah. I've talked to, I don't think I'm connected with them personally. Yeah. I've chatted with them at some events for like Indy parks and things.

[00:24:35] Michael Zarick: so these, this is just a small,

[00:24:37] Jalen Roseberry: small, teeny weenie

[00:24:39] Michael Zarick: subsect of the amount of activities you have mentioned to me previously. What about like, how, I love the word dabble, by the way. It's so funny. Hear that, like how did you become

[00:24:49] Jalen Roseberry: That's crazy.

[00:24:49] Michael Zarick: This type of person. What have you done? Oh my God. To yourself.

My

[00:24:52] Jalen Roseberry: God. I, it's actually, that's really, that's a good question because I've had so many people, I'm not even saying this, but, but like most people's comment to me about, to me, about me is you're something else that, that's usually like the nicest and most general statement that I get.

[00:25:09] Michael Zarick: Can I speak on this for myself?

[00:25:10] Jalen Roseberry: Yes.

[00:25:11] Michael Zarick: Just to interrupt. Of

[00:25:11] Jalen Roseberry: course.

[00:25:12] Michael Zarick: When I lived in Arkansas. Yeah, I used to go to this pizza place called Pizza Ruby all the time.

[00:25:17] Jalen Roseberry: Mm-hmm.

[00:25:17] Michael Zarick: And this is a self admission. I have to put this out there 'cause it's, it's a deep shame, but also a great joy of mine. I spent like $1,400 at this pizza shop. That's beautiful.

In like 2023.

[00:25:26] Jalen Roseberry: That's really community support. Yeah.

[00:25:27] Michael Zarick: Like a lot of money.

[00:25:28] Jalen Roseberry: That's what I hear.

[00:25:29] Michael Zarick: Amazing Pizza. Anyways, but I got invited by one of the employees to go to Music Bingo one night.

[00:25:34] Jalen Roseberry: Oh my God. Sgo song?

[00:25:36] Michael Zarick: No singing, no

[00:25:37] Jalen Roseberry: singing info, no song. Bingo. So music bing. Sorry. It's like they call,

[00:25:42] Michael Zarick: its,

[00:25:42] Jalen Roseberry: it was

[00:25:42] Michael Zarick: like you mark off the song when you when it plays.

Yeah. Was so fun. I don't, I guess we did sing sometimes, but anyways, they, when I showed up, they were like, I did not expect you to come. And I was like, why? What mean? I was like, you invited me.

[00:25:52] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah. I'm like, what do you mean? Of course I'm

here

[00:25:54] Michael Zarick: and I think that's probably, you and I are aligned in this way.

It's like, if you ask me to go to this thing, it's like I'm gonna show up. I'm

[00:25:59] Jalen Roseberry: probably gonna show

[00:26:00] Michael Zarick: up if I, especially if I say yes, like Yeah. I wouldn't lie to you.

[00:26:03] Jalen Roseberry: Exactly. No. Like I'm one of those, imagine this guys a weird person that when they say, sure, I'll be there. They show up. Gasp. Imagine that. I know.

And I think that is so surprising and that's just, but I think that's the community mindset like it is. That's what one of the biggest things community taught me, like community changed my life. Like I said, this is a ode to the coffee shop that changed my life. Like it, it came in and literally like people that did not know me from like, you know, like from Sam, we have no other reason to like be around each other and do do this other than like, we love and care about each other because we're other human beings that share space together and like people have showed up for me time and time again.

I think it's like that showing up part is a lot harder and more rare, unfortunately than I think it should be. And it should just be a lot easier, I think, to just commit to people.

[00:26:59] Michael Zarick: Do you ever watch the Jim Carrey movie? Yes, man,

[00:27:02] Jalen Roseberry: I have. It's been a very long time.

[00:27:04] Michael Zarick: I'm pretty sure it's a really bad movie, but like, I mean, yeah, a long time ago, but the, the premise of the movie is that he just says yes to everything.

And in a lot of ways and how it opens so many doors for him. That's true. I think, I think that's sort of happened to me over the past year and maybe that's why you're such a serial dabbler is 'cause you're just like willing to say yes.

[00:27:21] Jalen Roseberry: I think. No, that's brilliant. I think that's exactly good and correct way.

Sometimes I need other people to help lead me to my thoughts. And that's, I think that's a, yeah. Like I always encourage young people too. I said, every job I've ever gotten it was because I just went, yeah. Like someone gave me an opportunity or said, you should come to this, or you should volunteer, you should come.

And like, I just did. And I didn't know there was so many, like I didn't know that I would love bocce. Like who would know that you would love rolling balls and like it would be so competitive and like bring me so much joy at the same time. And like,

[00:27:54] Michael Zarick: isn't bocce ball just like curling but on grass?

[00:27:57] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah, essentially.

And like kind of like, yeah, like bowling and cornhole and curling all in one. Yeah. But no, it's just like, there's just so many things that I just didn't, I did not know that I would love kayaking. And I find it's like one of my happiest places is being like out on the river and like spending time like just with water and nature in that way.

And like, yeah, there's just so many things that I'm like, just say yes to the opportunities. And I, I've ended up in so many fun places and met so many interesting and knowledgeable and wonderful people, and then it comes full circle and they've shown up for me in ways that I could have never imagined.

And yeah, it's a, it's a humble life, but it's a really pretty one.

[00:28:41] Michael Zarick: What's, that's the, um, if you've already answered, that's okay, but no, it's, what's, if, what's one of your activities that you've gotten into that you would've, like never expected to enjoy, but like totally did a 180 on? Or maybe what's one that you didn't,

[00:28:58] Jalen Roseberry: that I didn't like love after I tried it?

[00:29:00] Michael Zarick: Maybe both. I don't know. Whatever.

[00:29:02] Jalen Roseberry: Hmm. I don't know because there's certain things that I know that like, I'm not even there are, like I say, I'm ultimate dabbler, but I guess I do have limits because there's certain things that I'm just like, I don't think I know, I know that I feel, I don't think I'll like that.

Like I'm just not much. Okay. I know. And there's like the cult following of being a climber here in the city. I know. And I'm sorry.

[00:29:24] Michael Zarick: That's so funny. It's, you know, but like, it's really funny that you say that.

[00:29:26] Jalen Roseberry: My

[00:29:26] Michael Zarick: shame considering we live in one of the flattest states. Oh, that's not true. One of the flattest parts of the

[00:29:30] Jalen Roseberry: street.

Sure. But yeah, but like, but like the, all the climbing gyms and like, you know, and I love it and I think it's such a cool thing for, but like that does not bring me joy. I'm scared.

[00:29:41] Michael Zarick: I love,

[00:29:42] Jalen Roseberry: and it hurts my body. Um, and I love and like again, that's for that is and like water things or like skiing or like snow activity.

Oh, you want me to tear my ACL and be freezing at the same time? That sounds like not fun.

[00:29:57] Michael Zarick: Agreed.

[00:29:57] Jalen Roseberry: So that's, so are

[00:29:59] Michael Zarick: what do you go tubing.

[00:30:00] Jalen Roseberry: Like on snow or water? Yeah, like snow. I was like, because

[00:30:03] Michael Zarick: Are you anti cold?

[00:30:05] Jalen Roseberry: No, I'm not anti cold. I still like, I'll go outside and walk. I like hiking in the winter. I like being in a hot tub in the winter.

It

[00:30:11] Michael Zarick: was 24 degrees two days ago and it felt

like

[00:30:15] Michael Zarick: it was 60. Yeah. The sun was out. This is the best day of my

[00:30:18] Jalen Roseberry: life. Yeah. I was walking in the sun and I was like, am I sweating? I know it was beautiful. Um, but no, I think, yeah, I have limits to my dabbles that I will do, but I think saying yeah, and just showing up genuinely, like, and repeatedly, like, I don't know how many amazing relationships I have with so many small businesses and just, and not that you do it for like perks or love or whatever, but it's like you, that's what you get.

That's how it ends up being. When you show up genuinely and you really like put in, pour into other people and they, and they see you for that like. People want to give back to you. People want to give you a better experience. And like, I don't know. And that's why I always, I'm like, I think I do have like this rosy colored glass version of my city, because it is so wonderful for me.

But it wasn't because it, it didn't just happen like inorganically Like it's, no, it happened over a long period of time and with a lot of concerted effort. And it's like, I didn't really, really realize that's what I was doing. Like, as a young adult, like you don't realize like, oh, that, that is how you build community.

But then once you finally catch on, you're like, oh, that's right. That you were doing it all along. And then now it's been really easy to continue. So Um, oh, what was I gonna say?

Sorry, I can go on like monologues.

[00:31:32] Michael Zarick: You're, you're allowed to do that.

[00:31:33] Jalen Roseberry: I can monologue and make you forget every word that you ever say.

I think

[00:31:36] Michael Zarick: a lot of times people get self-conscious about talking too much on my podcast, but it's like, this is this, this, that's the purpose.

[00:31:42] Jalen Roseberry: Cut me off. You need to, I'm like, I'll go until you talk. I'm like, I tell you'll talk. My one thing I say is like, I can take a talk, a face off a horse. Like, literally, like their face will just slide right off onto the ground.

[00:31:53] Michael Zarick: That's a gruesome image.

[00:31:54] Jalen Roseberry: Oh, gluey. And then also I'll say, I'll talk, I'll talk to like a rock on the side of the road. I don't care. I was like, may never say I talk to my cat. We have great conversations.

[00:32:07] Michael Zarick: Um, one of the other things I really associate with you is the, um, your, you, you introduce yourself this way to me, which is that you are like a dance party runner, which you mentioned in your serial dabbling.

[00:32:21] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah.

[00:32:22] Michael Zarick: Um, can you talk to me about that? Like why.

[00:32:25] Jalen Roseberry: How it happens.

[00:32:26] Michael Zarick: Just any of that. I don't, I don't even know how to ask the question really.

[00:32:29] Jalen Roseberry: It's called Cat Calls and it was just this little brain baby I had in my head and I was sitting at the bar at Eighth Day. Um, 'cause even though I worked there, I still hang out there because it's one of, it is like, that is truly one of my most favorite, like third spaces that had, was one of my huge communities.

Mm-hmm. Just like this place was before.

[00:32:49] Michael Zarick: Can I give 'em a shout out? Uh, last time I was at Eighth Day, which I don't drink that often, but I was there after the Safe Streets protest.

[00:32:55] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah.

[00:32:56] Michael Zarick: They had um, star sign cocktails.

[00:33:00] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah.

[00:33:00] Michael Zarick: And the one for Libra, which is me, was like perfect for me. I was like, this is amazing.

[00:33:04] Jalen Roseberry: Love it. No

[00:33:05] Michael Zarick: matched up

[00:33:06] Jalen Roseberry: great cocktails and mocktails if you don't drink. So, um, we have great community and we love everyone to be able to hang out there except for babies. You have to be 21. Sorry. Babies are at Lincoln. No babies at Eighth Day

babies. you have your own spaces.

Yeah. Stay there. Um. But all I have to say, I was sitting at the bar, um, with SJ and Joey shout out to Guide, anchor, lovely design studio and has done so many amazing brands and branding and visuals and all the things you can think of to make your stuff look amazing.

[00:33:38] Michael Zarick: Mm-hmm.

[00:33:38] Jalen Roseberry: Um, we were. Just sitting there at the bar and I had mentioned we were, I was like, wouldn't it be just so fun to have like a party called Cat Calls? Like, doesn't that just like sound like a vibe? And I was like, it's like the grownup, I describe it as like the grownup sleepover, like Cheetah Girls, Disney channel, Lisa, Frank, Libby, Luz, like literally like lean limited to like, think of all the girly fluffy, like just childhood nostalgia you can think of and or like turn it into a party and just basically just like heal your inner child and give time to disassociate and be away from this crazy world.

And I guess they, like, they went on a trip for New Year's, it was kind of towards the end of the year and they came back and they were like, yeah, we were talking about all the. Things that we couldn't stop thinking about and like what we really wanted to do this year, and we would love to like throw this party and like make it a thing.

And I was like, what? You think my idea is a good one? And

[00:34:36] Michael Zarick: I think you have a couple of those.

[00:34:37] Jalen Roseberry: I have a co maybe a couple few, but they, and like, yeah, and Joey had already even like, drawn up some sketches of things that he was saying. It was just like, I, I was just flabbergasted and I thought that was absolutely amazing.

And I said, wow, you really gotta be careful about what you speak about out loud because it might just come true. Um, and so, yeah, now somehow, some way I've done, we did one each season basically. Um, so four parties last year and it's the one year anniversary for Galentine's Day. So it's crazy.

[00:35:08] Michael Zarick: Oh, that's the overlap.

I totally missed that part. The Galentine's Day and the Cat Calls.

[00:35:13] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah,

[00:35:13] Michael Zarick: that is, is

[00:35:14] Jalen Roseberry: the same. I thought that was, it's on the, and it's Friday the 13th, so it's gonna be like all the fun. Same, like we have cheetah print. It's very, it's fem, queer, welcoming forward, um, all queer women, um, artists that are being played.

So that's like a fun thing that makes us like really celebrating Yeah. Just women because we're not all that loved and cared for all the time. Uh,

[00:35:38] Michael Zarick: can I tell you a story? So I went to, um, uh, the Monster Truck rally this past weekend.

[00:35:44] Jalen Roseberry: Oh. Monster Jam. I used to, used to go to that as a kid. First of

[00:35:47] Michael Zarick: all,

[00:35:47] Jalen Roseberry: I grew up as a hillbilly, so

[00:35:49] Michael Zarick: it was lit.

It's fun. Fun. I like, I, I was Okay, good. I knew the clientele that was going to walk into this place. Oh yeah. But also,

[00:35:58] Jalen Roseberry: it's incredible.

[00:35:59] Michael Zarick: It was way less, um.

So when you go to a Colt, I, a lot of this is probably budget based, but like when you go to a Colt's game, the opening ceremony, the cults game is like, so America centric. And I'm like, please. I was like,

[00:36:16] Jalen Roseberry: you're like, okay. I'm

[00:36:17] Michael Zarick: just like, I don't care that much.

[00:36:19] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah.

[00:36:19] Michael Zarick: So that was way less, uh, in your face than I expected it to be.

Oh, especially at the Monster rally. Oh,

[00:36:25] Jalen Roseberry: for Monster. Yeah, sure, sure.

[00:36:26] Michael Zarick: It was just like big fuck off trucks. It

[00:36:31] Jalen Roseberry: was like,

[00:36:31] Michael Zarick: and I was like,

[00:36:32] Jalen Roseberry: I know. Yeah. It's like they wanna rage. They was

[00:36:34] Michael Zarick: not here. I was like, this is awesome.

[00:36:35] Jalen Roseberry: Like, they came here to rage. Uh, I don't know if he's still around, but Grave Digger was and still is my favorite Monster Truck.

[00:36:41] Michael Zarick: Grave Digger I think is everyone's favorite monster truck.

[00:36:43] Jalen Roseberry: It should be.

[00:36:44] Michael Zarick: Although the one that won when I was there was, um, it

[00:36:48] Jalen Roseberry: was Great

[00:36:48] Michael Zarick: Dig tron, which it was also cool. Like it was a giant, like, um,

[00:36:53] Jalen Roseberry: I said, was it,

[00:36:53] Michael Zarick: it looks like a construct. Oh my God.

[00:36:56] Jalen Roseberry: No. I'm like, I love that.

[00:36:58] Michael Zarick: Anyways, but the, oh, you're talking about women?

Women, they did this thing during the show, which is like, they have two women drivers and they go, isn't it so great that a woman can drive a monster truck too? I was like,

[00:37:12] Jalen Roseberry: they said that

[00:37:13] Michael Zarick: basically it was, it, it felt like That's, that's hilarious. Where I was like, like, what year is it, bro?

[00:37:19] Jalen Roseberry: Imagine that.

[00:37:20] Michael Zarick: I was like, no shit.

[00:37:21] Jalen Roseberry: Women are driving trucks.

[00:37:22] Michael Zarick: They should put the, there was a dude who had the biggest handlebar mustache.

[00:37:27] Jalen Roseberry: Oh man.

[00:37:27] Michael Zarick: And he looked like he drove on, like I was obsessed with him. He drove the lamest truck. I wish they put him in the, in the unicorn truck. That, that would've

[00:37:36] Jalen Roseberry: been awesome.

[00:37:37] Michael Zarick: Like I, it's like, can we be a little more fashion forward in the year 2026?

[00:37:40] Jalen Roseberry: Truly

[00:37:41] Michael Zarick: with the monster drunk jam.

[00:37:42] Jalen Roseberry: That's funny.

[00:37:43] Michael Zarick: Uh, and I get it, you know, but I, it was just like, I was just like, you're this, I was like, of course. Like. I was like, of course women can drive monster trucks. But the way they're saying it, like something about the tone or like the just it,

[00:37:56] Jalen Roseberry: the wording wasn't,

[00:37:57] Michael Zarick: it's like not hitting for me.

[00:37:58] Jalen Roseberry: Did it? Yeah. It's okay. They tried, they're doing, they're doing better.

[00:38:01] Michael Zarick: All that same

[00:38:02] Jalen Roseberry: progress.

[00:38:02] Michael Zarick: Monster Truck Jam. That, that, that ripped.

[00:38:05] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah,

[00:38:05] Michael Zarick: I was into that.

[00:38:06] Jalen Roseberry: I used to go a lot as a kid. That was a fun time.

[00:38:10] Michael Zarick: Um,

[00:38:10] Jalen Roseberry: but yeah, no, so all, yeah, it's all was about women and yeah, basically cat calls is a space for women and queer folk.

And everyone's invited, don't get me wrong, like it is for everyone, but just know the assignment. Like the assignment is for like, come, come knowing that like, this is a party for us. You are more than welcome to be here, but do not try to disrupt.

[00:38:31] Michael Zarick: Is there a theme other than gowns? Like are you wanting people to wear

[00:38:34] Jalen Roseberry: like Oh yeah.

So like animal print is absolutely always like it's cheetah girls for life, but all animal print and anything. But basically it's just like, come as your best self. Like put that shit on that. Like you don't have that reason to normally wear it. Or like you just need a moment to feel good or like something that makes you feel great and like just come as your best, sparkly, happiest self and like that's whatever makes you feel the best.

That is what it's for. But in general, like I said, animal print and courage, loud, sparkly, glitter, whatever makes you happy. And yeah. And generally, yeah, there's like a theme mixed in in this one is like lovey and hearts and gala like, or whatever Valentines means to you too. You're hitting

[00:39:12] Michael Zarick: the,

[00:39:12] Jalen Roseberry: yeah,

[00:39:13] Michael Zarick: you're hitting the weekend head on.

[00:39:14] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah. So

[00:39:15] Michael Zarick: the Valentine's Weekend head on.

[00:39:16] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah, and it's like I said, since it's Friday the 13th, feel free to put some spooky Yuki in there too, like mixed with the gallant times. So I'm like, I love that.

[00:39:24] Michael Zarick: Is you say spooky. Spooky Yuki.

[00:39:26] Jalen Roseberry: Spooky Yuki. I have a lot of, um, jalin iss as my friends, uh, say. So you'll, those one might, might find a few more.

As you go back and edit,

[00:39:39] Michael Zarick: we're gonna move into what I call the canned questions.

[00:39:42] Jalen Roseberry: Can questions,

[00:39:43] Michael Zarick: twists?

[00:39:45] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah. Well, we're close now. It's

[00:39:48] Michael Zarick: bad. I don't have a watch. What time is it? Three 30. Oh my god.

[00:39:52] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah.

[00:39:52] Michael Zarick: You know what the worst part about getting here is, is the driving part. Yeah. I have to drive, it drives so far from where I live so far.

And then when I go back, it's gonna be rush hour and I'm gonna want to die.

[00:40:02] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah. You can always just like, take a nap in the car and then drive.

[00:40:05] Michael Zarick: I'm not doing that.

[00:40:07] Jalen Roseberry: He said no way.

[00:40:08] Michael Zarick: I, I do wanna let everyone know that I, my car. So it snowed more than a week ago. My car was still covered in snow this morning.

I said I have to get to see Jalen. Oh,

[00:40:19] Jalen Roseberry: humble. I'm, I'm humbled by this. This very valiant. Gesture of cleaning his car off.

[00:40:25] Michael Zarick: I would have ridden the bus, but it was like an hour and a half ride. So

[00:40:30] Jalen Roseberry: that's

[00:40:30] Michael Zarick: like, that is not happening. Oh,

[00:40:31] Jalen Roseberry: that's a lot too.

[00:40:31] Michael Zarick: Uh,

[00:40:32] Jalen Roseberry: you can always leave your car here overnight and take the bus home and call.

[00:40:35] Michael Zarick: Get

[00:40:35] Jalen Roseberry: it.

[00:40:36] Michael Zarick: I could do that. Um, oh, canned questions. Third Space Indy is sponsored by cityrising.org. Mark Latta the founder. Oh, do you know him? Oh yeah,

[00:40:50] Jalen Roseberry: I know Marc.

[00:40:50] Michael Zarick: I love when people, I say Mark Lata and people's face lights up. It makes me happy.

[00:40:53] Jalen Roseberry: Mark and Martha, we

[00:40:54] Michael Zarick: love them. Um, city Rising is a social impact studio that leads and supports innovative projects that strengthens, celebrate and repair people and places.

[00:41:03] Jalen Roseberry: Yes.

[00:41:04] Michael Zarick: Uh, so if you're interested in improving your built environment, you are the leader of a place or just somebody interested in improving your surrounding environment, reach out to me. Reach out to Mark Latta at cityrising.org and we'll hook you up anyways, mark has sponsored a question, which is. What is a Third Space to you?

[00:41:26] Jalen Roseberry: Oh, um, I think it kind of goes along with probably what my question will be, but like, it's the same as, um, what it means like to be a good neighbor. What a Third Space? Um, should I feel like the, the energy I feel like it should embody, but based, 'cause I actually did read like your little slide about, um, oh, the thing

[00:41:47] Michael Zarick: I posted the other day.

[00:41:48] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah. What's

[00:41:48] Michael Zarick: that? Why did that, why was that so popular? I don't understand.

[00:41:50] Jalen Roseberry: What was the gentleman's name?

[00:41:52] Michael Zarick: Ray Oldenberg.

[00:41:53] Jalen Roseberry: Ray Oldenberg, yes. Mm-hmm. Um, but no, like, and I always say Mr. Rogers was the original good neighbor, so like anywhere that Mr. Rogers would be, is a good Third Space. But no, I think, um, kind of our tenants of what like a good neighbor is, is being, um, being peaceful, being kind, being generous, um, being community minded, uh, and being ethical.

And so that, to me, anywhere that. Embodies that energy and has that in their heart and their mission. I feel like, um, and like as you said, like anywhere that you spend outside of your work in your home that you show up to regularly, whether you feel like it's a Third Space or not, or I think a lot of people don't necessarily register like that.

That is become like a community space for them or a Third Space and it's like, no, that's exactly what that looks like or that's how easy it is to build community is just, yeah, just keep returning to those places and talking to the people that also show up there. And I think you'll be surprised at how quick your little community blossoms all warm, fuzzy stuff.

[00:43:01] Michael Zarick: Good answer.

[00:43:02] Jalen Roseberry: I know I'm very cheesy. Can't help it. No. Good

[00:43:03] Michael Zarick: answer. Good answer. Good answer. Um. Sorry. These little things on the windows that are so cool.

[00:43:09] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah, that's, uh, shout out to our local artists. We do feature local artists. Uh, we do three month rotation, so I guess once a quarter we

[00:43:17] Michael Zarick: called fairy doors.

[00:43:18] Jalen Roseberry: We, yeah. Uh, we call them fairy houses or um, fairy jars.

[00:43:22] Michael Zarick: Mm-hmm.

[00:43:23] Jalen Roseberry: And you can put candles in them and have them glow and be just as sweet and nice. But, um, Ginny Blue Blanchard, um, does a lot of cool stuff like that, as well as propagation stations as she calls them. Um, we can put your little plants on and hang them up.

Propagation stations. Yeah. Um,

[00:43:41] Michael Zarick: um,

[00:43:41] Jalen Roseberry: another fun things. So

[00:43:43] Michael Zarick: next question related.

[00:43:44] Jalen Roseberry: Mm-hmm.

[00:43:45] Michael Zarick: What is a Third Space that has existed for you previously that no longer does?

[00:43:54] Jalen Roseberry: Sorry, your face. I, I've got a crazy face. The silent screams silent because so many. Yeah. Sorry. I talk a lot through my face, so it's interesting to like remember that some people will not be seeing my face at all. It's just my voice. Um, that's not there anymore.

[00:44:11] Michael Zarick: It doesn't have to physically not be there, it just has to not be present in your life.

But it could also have it disappeared. I don't know.

[00:44:19] Jalen Roseberry: So RIP, Mochi Joy.

[00:44:23] Michael Zarick: Hmm.

[00:44:24] Jalen Roseberry: Because Tom and Rachel, they're still my people, a thousand percent. But Mochi, Joy and the opportunities. Oh, and Beast. Oh my god. I used to work.

[00:44:33] Michael Zarick: What is that?

[00:44:34] Jalen Roseberry: I used to work for Beast. Um, our shouts out to Casey Alexander as well. And um, but I actually, and the reason I connected that is 'cause I met Tom and Rachel through Beast when I was working at the burger spot.

And it was in the AMP and historically was started as a food truck that popped up in Irvington. And we used to hang out and go there in college all the time. And that was like the best. But very fond memories. So that as a Third Space, like we would every week we would be hanging out at the food truck and the farmer's market.

And then, um, I used to, every Tuesday was my day off from here and I would go work with Casey at the amp. Um, and just

[00:45:14] Michael Zarick: Is beast a burger spot? Sorry. Yeah. Okay. Uhhuh, I missed that. Okay.

[00:45:17] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah. Um, so

[00:45:17] Michael Zarick: you like went on your day off, you went and worked. I

[00:45:20] Jalen Roseberry: had three

[00:45:20] Michael Zarick: jobs at the birth.

[00:45:21] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah. And then I worked doubles on Fridays and went bartending.

[00:45:24] Michael Zarick: So serial dabbler in jobs as well

[00:45:25] Jalen Roseberry: also? Yes.

[00:45:26] Michael Zarick: Yeah.

[00:45:26] Jalen Roseberry: Respect. Yeah. Show up for my people. Yeah. I love and, but like I said, it just got me just so many other opportunities and so many cool, like, I don't know how many times I gotta work Rev. Multiple times because I was working with some of my industry friends and like getting to do work festivals, like working at Trees with Esj and Joey, with Guy Anchor and just like, I love that stuff.

Like in Saraga International Food Festival. Yeah. Like. Maybe it's work, but if I have to work, it's the best work in the world to me. So, um, the both of those spaces are probably my biggest ones. And I'm like, God, I have such a, like, heartache towards those times because it was such fond memories. And yeah, just great learning and great experiences and other opportunities and connections that came from them.

So, I love you guys

[00:46:17] Michael Zarick: blessed. Uh, oh,

[00:46:25] Jalen Roseberry: I'm just like swimming. I have all the, all the happy feelings about. That's a good question. Thank you for making me think about that.

[00:46:33] Michael Zarick: I love a little self-reflection. Uh, you already answered my question from the last guest, so now I have to think of other stuff to talk about, like whatcha thinking about right now.

[00:46:43] Jalen Roseberry: Um,

[00:46:43] Michael Zarick: what are you doing like in your free time? Do you have free time?

[00:46:46] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah, I actually gonna make sure I do have free time. Um, I like to read books.

[00:46:51] Michael Zarick: What are you reading?

[00:46:52] Jalen Roseberry: Um, I'm currently listening to The Night Watch.

[00:46:56] Michael Zarick: The Night Watch.

[00:46:57] Jalen Roseberry: Yes. And it is a 19 for, it's like post and pre World War ii.

[00:47:05] Michael Zarick: Oh, is that the one in Paris?

[00:47:07] Jalen Roseberry: Mm, no, that's, uh, all the light we cannot see. I also do love that one.

[00:47:13] Michael Zarick: Maybe I'm thinking of a different book. I don't know.

[00:47:15] Jalen Roseberry: Um, but this one has a little bit of like, what is the freedom of being able to come home but not love the person that you wanna love? So, um, has a few like yeah, queer relationships and the dynamics of what it was like to live in that world, and especially being women in the war and after the war.

Uh, yeah, so

[00:47:38] Michael Zarick: I just finished, uh, well. A little bit ago, but I just finished. Um, I Who have never Known Men. I was that the title? I have it in my, I don't know

[00:47:49] Jalen Roseberry: that one.

[00:47:50] Michael Zarick: Wait,

[00:47:52] Jalen Roseberry: wait.

[00:47:53] Michael Zarick: Pause.

I just finished this book, ah,

[00:47:55] Jalen Roseberry: who I've Never Known Men.

[00:47:58] Michael Zarick: So this book,

[00:47:59] Jalen Roseberry: Jacqueline Hoffman,

[00:48:00] Michael Zarick: it was written by, I wanna say a German woman.

Oh, Belgium.

[00:48:04] Jalen Roseberry: Belgium,

[00:48:05] Michael Zarick: uh, back, oh, in, like 60 years ago. And it's like a very post World War II book. It's about this group of women who are like, it's locked in this cage. There's like 40 of them. Uh, and they're guarded by men. And then one day the men disappear, uh, and they're released from the cage. And like how they deal with like this, um,

[00:48:28] Jalen Roseberry: that's crazy.

[00:48:28] Michael Zarick: Deal with that scenario. I don't wanna speak too much on it. Sure. But, um, it's really interesting to see the themes of, because I think the way I found this book, 'cause this book, uh, was really popular last year

[00:48:39] Jalen Roseberry: Okay.

[00:48:39] Michael Zarick: Because of TikTok. Um, but I don't have the way I found it. What'd you say?

[00:48:43] Jalen Roseberry: I don't have the TikTok, so I don't,

[00:48:45] Michael Zarick: that's probably healthy.

[00:48:47] Jalen Roseberry: I'd just be missing out sometimes.

[00:48:48] Michael Zarick: The way I found it is, 'cause I was doing this podcast and I typed in like, books about community. I think probably SEO brought me to this one, but

[00:48:56] Jalen Roseberry: I was like, that's

[00:48:57] Michael Zarick: came up.

[00:48:57] Jalen Roseberry: Wow.

[00:48:58] Michael Zarick: It was, I

[00:48:58] Jalen Roseberry: was like,

[00:48:58] Michael Zarick: that book is really dark and kind of depressing. High key. But it was, um, really inspiring in like a wound, wound, wound about a roundabout

[00:49:09] Jalen Roseberry: way

[00:49:10] Michael Zarick: about this way like that people.

When you are forced in a situation with each other, the way you come together and you grow as a group of people. Um, and I found it really compelling and interesting and empowering and also had a lot of like, interesting themes about like, uh, just like that post World War II mindset about like echoing, like what happened during the war.

It's like, oh, the, all the men disappeared. So like how do the women cope with that? Like that type of thing. I thought that was really interesting.

[00:49:43] Jalen Roseberry: No, I love a good like yeah. Shift of like, oh, that haven't really thought about that aspect before. So, and I also actually am I free this year? Um, 'cause a couple years ago I did the 52 book challenge.

So I was reading a book a week that was intense.

[00:49:57] Michael Zarick: That is,

[00:49:58] Jalen Roseberry: it was very fun. I actually real, I really enjoyed it. It got me Do

[00:50:00] Michael Zarick: you primarily do audio books though?

[00:50:02] Jalen Roseberry: No, I did half audio, half physical.

[00:50:04] Michael Zarick: Mm.

[00:50:04] Jalen Roseberry: So I had an actual spreadsheet and I just planned out like. Physical books were the shorter ones and the longer ones I listened to.

And I just had to strategically plan them out. But they had prompts for each week. And then so it got you like cat out of your com reading zone, which I appreciate. And um, this one, yeah, this a year I decided to do a movie challenge, so very similar. So I'm doing like weekly themes and this only doing three movies a week, just to be realistic.

'cause

[00:50:29] Michael Zarick: three is a lot.

[00:50:30] Jalen Roseberry: It's still a lot. It's still a lot. But, so yeah, in my free ti free time right now I'm watching. Uh, so

[00:50:36] Michael Zarick: you've already done, like,

[00:50:37] Jalen Roseberry: I've already done 12, 15 or so movies I've done. Yeah, I'm on, I'm on like 13 right now because yeah, I still have two more movies to watch this

[00:50:45] Michael Zarick: week. What are the top two so far?

Or if you, if you're into rating, I'm not like into the rating, but like,

[00:50:49] Jalen Roseberry: um, no ones, I think that, um, something, one that I was reminded of, like how much I loved was or a hot take. I think Wes Anderson's best movie is fantastic, Mr. Fox.

[00:51:03] Michael Zarick: I don't think that's, I don't think that's that hot of a too,

[00:51:06] Jalen Roseberry: I'm like, I don't know.

Some people just like love Wes Anderson. I'm like, honestly, fantastic. Wizard Frost. I love and I love it. And it's because it's Raw Doll's Story so's probably why I love it. It's not even Wes Anderson's story. It's probably why I think it's his best movie. That's not actually, Wes Anderson's

[00:51:19] Michael Zarick: toxic.

[00:51:20] Jalen Roseberry: So I was like, it's just his visuals, but like, love Fantastic Wizard Fox.

And then, um, the realization, uh, I had that like there's a lot of movies like from the nineties that like, it was too little, but like they were around and so like you grow up feeling like you've watched them or you know all about them. But I, there was two movies that I realized I had never seen that like, I know, like knew about was Shawshank Redemption Know All About It, know, like, know the premise, everything.

And I realized as I was watching it, I was like, I've never watched this with my actual eyes. Like this is crazy. And like I had this weird like Mandela effect of like. Why do I feel, and also because I read The Green Mile, not that they're the same, but like very aesthetically they're very similar. So I feel like my brain was like conflating the two, like books and movies as a memory.

And so like, but I just watched Han Redemption and realizing I'd never seen it. And I was like, how did I get to my thirties?

[00:52:15] Michael Zarick: So did you did watch it?

[00:52:15] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah.

[00:52:16] Michael Zarick: Did it like change your life? Are you,

[00:52:18] Jalen Roseberry: I I don't mean that I'm not changed through Shashin, but I am like, that was really great. And I understand, like I see, I know now, like, actually why, you know, it was such a, just a heavy weight.

Like back in the day,

[00:52:31] Michael Zarick: lemme list some formative movies. You're gonna think this is so stupid. Home Alone.

[00:52:36] Jalen Roseberry: That's great.

[00:52:37] Michael Zarick: Mighty Ducks.

[00:52:38] Jalen Roseberry: Okay.

[00:52:39] Michael Zarick: No,

[00:52:39] Jalen Roseberry: I'm like, okay. Yeah. I'm like,

[00:52:40] Michael Zarick: have you ever watched The Mighty

[00:52:41] Jalen Roseberry: Ducks? Yeah. I was like, okay, so,

[00:52:42] Michael Zarick: and Mighty Ducks too. Of course,

[00:52:45] Jalen Roseberry: of course, of

[00:52:45] Michael Zarick: course. Uh. Napoleon Dynamite.

[00:52:51] Jalen Roseberry: Oh my God.

[00:52:51] Michael Zarick: What?

[00:52:52] Jalen Roseberry: This is so alert

[00:52:53] Michael Zarick: Scott Pilgrim versus the world.

[00:52:54] Jalen Roseberry: This is, you say you're Libra. This is so Libra. Like this is making so much sense. Oh, so you're so just like, these are like the so silly and lighthearted funny. Like,

[00:53:03] Michael Zarick: I love West Anderson movies 'cause they're silly and lighthearted. God. But I also love my media to be also the most dreadful shit possible.

So like, that's funny that I have that sort of dichotomy

[00:53:12] Jalen Roseberry: and, um, but I didn't actually, I didn't hate, I realized I did not hate, uh, grand Budapest Hotel because of Ralph Yiannis. 'cause I just love him. 'cause I was first, like he was, you were

[00:53:22] Michael Zarick: saying he's the reason you find that movie, like digestible

[00:53:26] Jalen Roseberry: good.

Yeah,

[00:53:28] Michael Zarick: that's like easily, in my opinion, easily the best one. I dunno.

[00:53:31] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah, no. And like, I, I didn't, yeah, and like, it didn't bother. Like, eventually I kind feel like it gets redundant and I'm like annoyed by the end of a West Anderson movie. I'm just like, cool. He panned over and said something really abstract and then they're gonna do it again and again and again.

And like, so with, at least with Grand Vpu, I was like, I like the visuals, I like the story. I like the Honorable, you know, like the bellboy and whatnot. I don't know, it was, it was just a better movie for me. Um, but the other movie that I realized I had never seen that, like I also love so much was Aaron Brockovich.

[00:54:03] Michael Zarick: I don't think I've ever seen that. It's.

[00:54:06] Jalen Roseberry: I was like, I'm her. If I was divorced twice and had three kids, I, that is me, I'm her. She, me who's

[00:54:11] Michael Zarick: say it couldn't be in the future.

[00:54:13] Jalen Roseberry: You just, I, and I would love to take Leah, a small person to take down a giant corporation. I absolutely the hell, what is

[00:54:20] Michael Zarick: Leah Brockovich about?

[00:54:21] Jalen Roseberry: Uh oh. Aaron Brockovich. Aaron

[00:54:22] Michael Zarick: Brockovich.

[00:54:22] Jalen Roseberry: Sorry. No. So she's just like this single well working class mom, um, that's known to like, have her little pushup bra and dress a little, you know, scantily in the office or whatever. But essentially she just is desperate to be able to feed her kids and takes, makes, uh, this guy give her a job in the, in a law office essentially.

And, uh, she starts, you know, they don't think much of her, but then she's. Starts looking deeper into some of these files and questioning things that she's seeing and realizes that this corporation has been poisoning. Like the water has been poisoned in this area for, and all these people have all these health issues.

This, this is a real story.

[00:55:01] Michael Zarick: This, I think I have heard of this.

[00:55:02] Jalen Roseberry: So it's like heard, I mean, it's like based off real life, but Julia Roberts place. Yeah. Um, but yeah, like it's such a, and it's, it's a good forget movie and Julia Roberts kills it and I was like, she's a badass and I love her and that's exactly who I'd be.

And I was like, I'm ready to take down the corpse right now. Like, I am her. So yeah, who knows? I could be her Jalen Roseberry, Aaron Brock Witch could be the same. You

[00:55:20] Michael Zarick: just, sorry, you saying all the movies I listed are lighthearted just lit up like, like a bunch of other movies like, um.

[00:55:30] Jalen Roseberry: He said formative movies, things

[00:55:32] Michael Zarick: that like, I'm not like You ever seen the movie Chef with John Favreau?

[00:55:37] Jalen Roseberry: No, but

[00:55:37] Michael Zarick: I know John fro me. You should add that to your list.

[00:55:39] Jalen Roseberry: Okay. I was like,

[00:55:40] Michael Zarick: I do know John Favreau though. That is a wonderful movie. Also very lighthearted and happy. Um,

[00:55:45] Jalen Roseberry: you're just so, so fluffy.

[00:55:47] Michael Zarick: Nice. Uh, I

[00:55:49] Jalen Roseberry: have a s scorer. I'm a tall

[00:55:49] Michael Zarick: all of the Lord of the Rings movies kind of lighthearted.

[00:55:52] Jalen Roseberry: Uh, well that's my number one favorite movie of all time.

So,

[00:55:54] Michael Zarick: really?

[00:55:55] Jalen Roseberry: Yes.

[00:55:56] Michael Zarick: Hmm.

[00:55:56] Jalen Roseberry: I was like, I have a Lord of the Rings sleeve.

[00:55:59] Michael Zarick: Do you cry at the end,

[00:56:00] Jalen Roseberry: like every fucking time you bow to know one, you bow? I'm like, yes. I'm like on my knees bawling. I'm on my knees bawling. I'm like, are you kidding me? I was like, I don't care. I'll do anything vegan. Important since I was, how could you not?

[00:56:14] Michael Zarick: Are you like a Legolas stan? Are you like,

[00:56:16] Jalen Roseberry: oh duh.

[00:56:18] Michael Zarick: Okay. Wait, wait. This is an important question.

[00:56:20] Jalen Roseberry: I had a car

[00:56:21] Michael Zarick: Legolas or, um, uh. Not Swan. What's his name in parts? The Caribbean.

[00:56:29] Jalen Roseberry: Oh, uh,

[00:56:29] Michael Zarick: which, which, which of those is

[00:56:30] Jalen Roseberry: Will Turner?

[00:56:31] Michael Zarick: Yeah. Will Turner or Legolas? He is,

[00:56:32] Jalen Roseberry: he's perfect sides of a coin.

[00:56:37] Michael Zarick: What do you mean

[00:56:37] Jalen Roseberry: as Legolas and Will Turner.

That's a perfect,

[00:56:41] Michael Zarick: I'm asking to, I'm asking to pick

[00:56:41] Jalen Roseberry: one. I'm telling you I cannot because they are a perfect balance of one another and I choose both. It's just like his masculine and femininity in one person. It's just, it's just his two dicho, like di dichotomy sides of himself and like, I just choose him.

Orlando Bloom was my first boy crush ever. I had, I let it card Legolas, cardboard cutout.

[00:57:02] Michael Zarick: I feel like he hasn't aged Well,

[00:57:04] Jalen Roseberry: he's all right. He did choose Katy Perry though. So that was, that was, we

[00:57:08] Michael Zarick: know Katy Perry has chosen Justin Trudeau. Didn't, you know that?

[00:57:12] Jalen Roseberry: Oh, well that's, well, that's saying he chose her and I was like, and that was probably where he started not aging as well.

That was when I was like, that was when his downfall started. Oh. But no, I'm like, I absolutely love, like Lord of the Rings is a comfort, happy, safe. Oh shit. Sorry

[00:57:28] Michael Zarick: guys. That's okay.

[00:57:29] Jalen Roseberry: I almost punched you guys in the ears. Sorry, I just punched you guys in the ears. Um, but no, like Lord of the Rings, that was my escapism movie.

And I have like, yeah, look, there's the one ring right here on my arm.

[00:57:44] Michael Zarick: You know what? I think I've noticed that before.

[00:57:45] Jalen Roseberry: You know, and I have Bard and Smaug as well.

[00:57:48] Michael Zarick: Um, another movie. I've only seen it once, but I, it stuck with me so hard 'cause I saw it at the perfect time of my life. Freshman year of college.

That's when it came out. It's called Boyhood.

[00:57:59] Jalen Roseberry: I've never seen

[00:57:59] Michael Zarick: it filmed over the course of 13 years.

[00:58:01] Jalen Roseberry: What?

[00:58:02] Michael Zarick: With the same actors? Yep. They filmed this movie over the course of 13 years and it takes place over the course of 13 years with the same actors. Um. Ethan Hawke is in the movie, and then a bunch of unknown people.

Wow. Um, but that movie is about, it's like a coming of age story and then the ends when the kid like goes to college. And it, like, I think because I was a freshman in college when it played, it was like the, I have never watched it again. I think if I did I would probably hate it. But that movie, like really, uh, like hate

[00:58:28] Jalen Roseberry: that.

Yeah.

[00:58:29] Michael Zarick: Yeah.

[00:58:29] Jalen Roseberry: That's, I mean, that makes sense though. Like, it is, like you said, it's the right time. Like, I, I mean, not that like every millennial doesn't love Harry Potter, but I truly, like, I was the same age as all of them.

[00:58:41] Michael Zarick: Mm-hmm.

[00:58:42] Jalen Roseberry: Every year that the movies were coming out.

[00:58:44] Michael Zarick: Mm-hmm.

[00:58:45] Jalen Roseberry: So like, I truly feel like I grew up with Harry Potter, so like, I feel like yeah, that was like a perfect age for me to be like.

In that world. So sometimes it, that stuff do, it just, it just be hitting a little bit harder for us.

[00:58:57] Michael Zarick: A photo of Daniel Radcliffe hanging out with Megan Thee stallion the other day. And I said,

[00:59:01] Jalen Roseberry: like, your brain broke. Like, I like, what do you mean what's going on

[00:59:05] Michael Zarick: here? I sent that to my wife and I was like, this is me and you.

[00:59:08] Jalen Roseberry: Oh my God, that's great. I mean, that's fine.

[00:59:12] Michael Zarick: This, this beautiful woman. And then me,

[00:59:13] Jalen Roseberry: and then there's not stop it. Aw, you're pretty too. Don't let anyone tell you any different. Your wife thinks you're pretty.

[00:59:20] Michael Zarick: I think so.

[00:59:21] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah.

[00:59:21] Michael Zarick: Yeah.

[00:59:22] Jalen Roseberry: Shout out to her. Yeah, she's great.

[00:59:23] Michael Zarick: Um, you've never met her. That's fine.

[00:59:27] Jalen Roseberry: I know.

She's great. I'm not doubting it.

[00:59:29] Michael Zarick: Uh, anyways, I think we're, I think we're getting off the rails. Uh, let's wrap it up.

[00:59:35] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah.

[00:59:36] Michael Zarick: Thank you so much for coming on. Had a great time.

[00:59:38] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah, me too. I was like I said, I can, I can talk as long as people need me to. So

[00:59:44] Michael Zarick: this will not be the last time we hang out probably.

[00:59:46] Jalen Roseberry: I don't think so.

[00:59:47] Michael Zarick: You are a hard person to hang out with because you live on the other side of the world from me.

[00:59:52] Jalen Roseberry: Although you all these north siders and they're dramatic extent, I am dramatic of the, of the north side. I'm like, you, it's, I'm like, you do realize it's just as annoying and difficult for us to come to you.

It's like it's, I know it's, how about we blame the city planners?

[01:00:06] Michael Zarick: Yes, absolutely.

[01:00:07] Jalen Roseberry: Let's stop going against one another.

[01:00:09] Michael Zarick: Yes.

[01:00:09] Jalen Roseberry: And we meet in the middle at Blue Mind.

[01:00:13] Michael Zarick: Blue Mind is not in the middle.

[01:00:14] Jalen Roseberry: 38th Street,

[01:00:16] Michael Zarick: what'd you call it? The middle.

[01:00:17] Jalen Roseberry: That's like the middle between here and like broad 50 something.

Right? It's like 20 blocks and 20

[01:00:22] Michael Zarick: blocks. I live above 62nd. So

[01:00:24] Jalen Roseberry: Well, geez, you're deep in the rip. I can't help that. I'm like, what? Uh, but that's

[01:00:30] Michael Zarick: still, I think, I think the perfect, uh, where would we move Latitude for me is like 46th. Shout out to Anderson York. Then you can, then you're close enough downtown.

It's not inconvenient.

[01:00:39] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah, no, I think so. Yeah. Around. Although I do go

[01:00:41] Michael Zarick: downtown

a lot.

[01:00:42] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah, same.

[01:00:43] Michael Zarick: We are really failing at Wrap it up. Hey,

[01:00:46] Jalen Roseberry: it's the Midwestern goodbye.

[01:00:49] Michael Zarick: Hey, quick insert. I forgot to ask what question

Jalen would like to ask the next guest. so I had her record a short,

uh, recording of the question,

so here it is.

[01:01:02] Speaker: What does it mean to be a good neighbor?

[01:01:05] Michael Zarick: Thanks for so much for coming on. Can you tell these listeners or watchers where they can find you?

[01:01:12] Jalen Roseberry: Oh,

[01:01:12] Michael Zarick: if you want to be found.

[01:01:13] Jalen Roseberry: Yeah, like on the social media is my, uh, Instagram is Playtime on the Rock and that's actually the name of like what my, like personal events are hosted under.

So keep, if you're interested in those. Yeah, follow Playtime on the Rock or if you're interested and coffee come to Lincoln Lane, which is at Lincoln Lane Coffee

[01:01:32] Michael Zarick: corner of Lincoln and East

[01:01:34] Jalen Roseberry: Co. Correct. That was actually like a little slogan we use in the corner at in and and least Ink and and least

[01:01:40] Michael Zarick: Ink and and least

[01:01:41] Jalen Roseberry: Lincoln and East.

And then also if you want more community content as well, uh, that house, we have our own at That House Inc. On Instagram as well. Um, but yeah, just come in or just come in and ask questions and we're happy as you can see. Happy to talk to ya. Oh,

[01:01:57] Michael Zarick: maybe a little too happy. Uh, thank you so much for watching or listening.

[01:02:03] Jalen Roseberry: Mm-hmm.

[01:02:03] Michael Zarick: To this episode of Third Space Indy. You can find me at Third Space Indy on Instagram or Third Space Indy dot com, where sometimes I write a blog. I really am behind by like three, but I will get to it, I promise. Uh, thank you so much to Mark Latta and city rising.org for sponsoring the podcast.

And as always, thank you to Jennasen for letting me use your song Scared Rabbit as the intro music. Thank you once again for watching. See you in the next one. Goodbye. Bye.