Ep.12 - Bo Turner - Founder of FIND Indianapolis
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Bo Turner is filling a void left by the lack of third spaces in this country. You don’t need to find love online with an application. That hit rate is so small, partially because there is so much missed when you can’t look the person in the eye directly in front of you, but many of these online services are skipping the most important step in dating: it should be your friend, your best friend. How else will you determine you want to spend your whole life with one individual if you don’t like spending your time with them regularly already?
This is the magic that Bo Turner and FIND Indianapolis are recapturing. She forces (voluntarily) people out of their homes, into public spaces, and has them sit down to talk, form real connections, good or bad, and find love! This is the power of third places that people do not realize is gone. It’s not “hard” to make friends or lovers; it’s been made nigh impossible because of the infrastructure we live under — you can do it, it just takes quite a bit of will. When that infrastructure exists, it’s quite easy.
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I continue to love the audio standing outside. The natural sound of dogs, birds, and bikes riding by actually makes the podcast seem really natural, so overall I’m pretty satisfied with the way it sounds. I think I will try to make this happen more and more often. I love being out in public.
I think many of my issues going forward will stem from learning more about photography. Did you know that when both guests are wearing white clothing and standing in direct sunlight, the image becomes very bright? I do now! This is the first episode where I’ve incorporated some slight color correction to tone down the brightness. I’m not a professional at this, so I just did what felt right. I think it turned out ok. Ideally, I think about this a bit more directly in the future.
On the Topic of Children
I want to speak on a wider societal issue that is a topic of discussion right now — declining birth rates. This is a mystery that is perplexing all of the powers on high in this country and many around the world, but for people my age and younger, the reasons and the solutions to the issue are obvious.
(1) Who can afford a baby? Literally. Not only is a child expensive to have around, but it is also expensive to have period. The average out-of-pocket cost for childbirth in this country floats around $2000 with insurance and nearly $20k without. So the barrier to entry to an even more expensive thing is already restrictive to most families.
(2) Women’s rights — Did you know that the US childbirth mortality rate in this country is twice to three times that of other wealthy nations? Why would any woman have a child at risk to her own life, especially when…
(3) The most common way children die in this country is by firearms. No real or serious action is being taken to prevent this. And beyond this, there is a 13.7% poverty rate for children as of 2023, and 17.9% of households with children experience food insecurity. In Indiana, this number is 1 in 7. One in seven children experiences hunger in Indiana. Why would you have a baby when the US will let you die and then allow your child to starve afterward? How terrible.
(4) No one owns a house. In 2024, the median first-time home buyer was 38. Forty years ago, in the 1980s, the median age was 29. The lack of home ownership makes people hesitant to start a family, or makes them feel they don’t have enough space.
I don’t mean to be a downer; in fact, I am quite optimistic that things will get better soon. This is my privilege, to be positive in this way. But the problems are clear. People want to have families, they desire human connection, and to have children, but there are so many things outside of even the barriers that are stopping you from meeting your long-term partner that are working against people who want to be parents.
This is why I am thankful for Bo Turner, taking part in society in whatever way she can to fight back against the flurry of things that prevent you from finding happiness with human connection.
Thanks for reading and listening as always. Please share your thoughts!
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Episode Summary
Building Connections in Indy: Bo Turner on FIND Indianapolis and Third Spaces
In this episode of Third Space Indy, host Michael Zarick interviews Bo Turner, a serial entrepreneur known for her work with FIND Indianapolis. Bo discusses the objectives of FIND, which include hosting speed dating and singles events designed to foster connections and community in Indianapolis. The conversation covers the importance of third spaces in fostering community, the impact of American hustle culture versus more community-focused cultures like those in Copenhagen, and how Bo's events aim to help people forge meaningful relationships in person. Bo shares insights on dating dynamics, the challenges of maintaining third spaces in a capitalist society, and her passion for creating non-transactional, community-driven events. They also touch upon the potential for transforming underutilized spaces into community hubs and the importance of balancing work with personal time. The episode concludes with thoughts on the unique character of Indianapolis and the need for more organic, community-focused spaces.
00:00 Introduction to Copenhagen's Happiness
01:04 Meet Bo Turner: Serial Entrepreneur
02:59 FIND Indianapolis: Speed Dating and More
04:55 The Process of Speed Dating
08:21 Breaking Stereotypes and Finding Love
14:35 Bo Turner's Personal Journey and Identity
19:03 The Importance of Third Spaces
30:15 Future Neighbors: A Plan for Community Living
30:56 Apartment Living and Community Building
32:15 Innovative Urban Planning in Chicago
33:37 The Importance of Front Porches and Community Interaction
35:30 House Parties and Social Gatherings
36:23 Exploring Indianapolis Neighborhoods
43:11 Public Transportation and Reading on the Bus
45:16 Creating Third Spaces in Indianapolis
47:18 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
Episode Transcript
Bo Turner
[00:00:00] Bo Turner: , Copenhagen is one of the happiest places on Earth in this one survey. But the reason is because they have, a lot of good infrastructure and there's also a big sense of community, actual, like organizations like businesses will say, Hey, you can take off, you get off work at four to go to your club. To hang out for a couple hours before you go home. That's just very ingrained in the culture. And the American hustle culture
can be very toxic. And I get caught up in it a lot of the times of saying oh, I need to like
I'd be working right now because I don't have time to relax. Like I, i need to do work on my business. But there's something I learned like very early on was like, don't mix your free time with availability. And just because you have, you are available to work. Doesn't mean that you should.
[00:01:04] Michael Zarick: Hello, this is Michael Zarick and this is Third Space Indy, where we talk to community builders, leaders, and organizers in Indianapolis who are working to make.
Indianapolis a better place and more connected in so many ways. Today I'm talking to Bo Turner. Bo Turner is a serial entrepreneur and known primarily for her work with FIND Indianapolis, which is, I'll let her describe it better than I am, but I'm gonna call it a speed dating business where you can sign up, grab a ticket, go to.
Various places around Indianapolis and some other cities, which I'm sure she'll share. Uh, and potentially meet the love of your life. Yeah. What's up Bo?
Hi, how are you? I'm doing good. Uh, we are here. What is the name of this business?
[00:01:53] Bo Turner: It's just an empty building now.
[00:01:55] Michael Zarick: Yeah, but what was it? I don't know. Public greens.
Public greens, that's right. In public greens. Um, in Broad Ripple, standing forever. Uh, but the reason I asked you on today is because. Uh, you are, what you're doing is like very core to what I believe about., Very core to what I believe about like Third Space Indy and sort of our society as a whole is that we are like so disconnected from each other.
other.
And because of our loss of third spaces, because of people's like views on social media and this type of thing that we really struggle. Um, to really connect with one another. Yeah. And what I really like about what you do is you are forcing people out of their hovels into the public and to stare each other in the eye and say, are you worthy of dating me?
Wow. Is that, is Wow. Is that, is that a, is that, that's intense. Is that a, is that a fierce, two fierce of a statement to make? Yeah, fierce.
Um, that's great. But
[00:02:54] Bo Turner: it's, that's, that's the gist
it though.
Yeah. The most direct way. Um, yeah. FIND Indianapolis is really rooted in finding yourself, finding friends in ultimately finding love. So
we
wanna make sure that we provide, um, these spaces that are safe for community to be able to date openly and that, you know, be able to feel like they're able to approach somebody who's single.
So primarily we host, uh, singles events. So do a lot of speed dating and so bread and butter, and then do single social, so there's like a little bit more laid back and group settings. Um, and then we do a picture single find event, uh, once in a while. So those are really fun ways to be able to get out, connect in, meet other singles. And then we also started another branch called FIND Fun Indy. And
that is really focused on just bringing fun events that we see in other cities and bring 'em to Indianapolis, um, and creating those other like events, um, spaces for people to be able to. To,
You know, have fun, join, um, meet new people and have a community based off of the similar interests
[00:03:49] Michael Zarick: Definitely.
And, um, I know a couple of things. First of all, you have a really high hit rate in terms of like the, like 75% of of
[00:04:00] Bo Turner: Yeah. We have a 75% average match rate for our speed dating events. So that means both people, um, have agreed that they would like to continue the conversation and get mutual match emails after the event.
So it's really good. Um, and it kind of fluctuates depending on, you know, you know, who you upon a a bunch
[00:04:16] Michael Zarick: Yeah. But what I don't know, can you, um, I'm actually really interested because I, I've not attended an event, and ideally I never do because I'm married. Yeah. Uh, you're also married, but we'll talk about that in a little bit.
Um.
[00:04:28] Bo Turner: well we also have speed friending events too.
So that is another way that we use our technology in match making software to be able to help people, make friends a little bit more intentionally. Um, it's great for introverts wherever it's like. Kind of scary. Especially, I mean, I'm an extrovert and I still get nervous like having to approach large groups.
Um, so it's nice to be able to have a structured time like, okay, we're rotating every seven minutes. Here's the person you're talking to. And you have some base
compatibility that you know
[00:04:55] Michael Zarick: about.
Yeah. Can you talk me through, um, 'cause this is what I really don't know, is like the process. So I see that you make like a profile and then you like go to an event, you talk for five minutes with each person. Mm-hmm. Is that, can you just talk me through the whole. Thing?
[00:05:09] Bo Turner: Yeah, yeah. For speed, for, yeah. For standard speed dating, we have events for different age groups, orientations, um, and then kind of different, different themes in social groups. So, for example, we'll do ages, like 21 to 30.
Um, we'll
do a Christian speed dating group. We've done men seeking men and s so. Pick a, a speed dating event that makes the most sense for who you want to be dating. Um, and then you'll buy a ticket online. Um, once that is bought, then you create a dating profile through our, uh, exclusive software.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
And it's really awesome because nobody else in the Indiana region is using this software. So it is able to, um, you have a profile and it tracks all of your dating history. So you can list your name, you know, phone, email in there, and then your dating preferences. If you have kids, if you are open to dating someone that has kids, um, a lot of times our speed dating, we're just doing those high level kind of deal breaker questions.
Um, and then as we get into other events, we kind of go into more specifics. But, um, yeah, for speed dating kind of high level and then we use that software to match you during the, the speed dating round. So it really is a tool, it's not a dating app. So, so you're not necessarily,
[00:06:20] Michael Zarick: sorry to interrupt. You're not necessarily meeting with every single person at the event? No, that's a complete waste of
[00:06:26] Bo Turner: time.
[00:06:26] Michael Zarick: Totally.
[00:06:27] Bo Turner: Complete waste of time. And also we have like 60 or 70 people at an event. You would be there for hours, yeah. Even if you met with one person for two minutes, that would be insane. Yeah. Um, yeah, so we meet based off of compatibility.
Uh, so you get matched with the highest of your compatibility scores and then you'll talk for five minutes. After each round, you'll mute your phone if you would like to continue the conversation or not. No. And if you both. Say, yes, you do. Then you'll get a mutual match email sent at the end of the night saying like, Hey, you and Michael Match, um, here's your contact info. Um, we send out emails and then you'll able continue the conversation that way.
[00:07:07] Michael Zarick: That's so amazing. And I just wanna say, and I told you this already, but one of my good friends, uh, I can, I can say her name, that's not scary. Ciara. Uh, she and her boyfriend met at one, at the very first event they attended.
Oh my God. Um, and she was like, Michael, oh, I, I was like, do you know who Bo Turner is? And she was like, yes. If me and my boyfriend get married. Like Bo will be at our wedding. I was like, oh, I would love that. Oh yeah. Yeah. Well that's good to hear. And then I have another friend who is single. Mm-hmm. And I think she has a boyfriend right now, but she was struggling. Um, and and I told her about your events and she's like, I am not going to that because I don't wanna be on a game show. Because she saw the like, I'm gonna get there, gimme a second. I saw your face. Game. because she saw the, like Pitch Your Friend event, which is sort of game showy, but then she also like saw the other stuff and was not vibing with it.
So like for people who are hesitant to like put themselves out there Yeah. Maybe are a little more reserved, um, but also still haven't had like, success with apps. Mm-hmm. Like why would I go to a FIND Indianapolis event? Like it's not. It's not like a game show, like I I. Correct. Don't perceive it that way.
So like, sell me on it.
[00:08:20] Bo Turner: Yeah. Uh, yeah. For speed dating, we get this a lot. People kind of make different connotations to it. Um, a lot of people have like the old stereotype and stigma that we are like sitting and rotating in a very stuffy way. Mm-hmm. Um, which is not the case. We move around every single time. Um, it's also a really good place just to meet new people and practice talking to people in real life because texting on the apps, if you're not a good texter, you're probably not doing too good on apps.
Like, it's very bad communication. I, number one, I'm a bad texter. Like I text logistic you bad text. I have a text for logistic purposes and I don't care. I, I don't wanna talk conversation via text. Um, so basically, yeah, it's a great place to let your personality shine. Especially if you know, like you're funny and you have like kind of quirky sayings and things.
Um, really like speed dating for letting people's personality shine. And also you get to feel the vibes first. I am more of a vibes person where I know instantly or within a few minutes on if I'm going like, kind
like connect with this person on a friendship level or a dating level. Um, and that's what I always tell people. Like, don't come into the mindset of speed dating like you
have. To find a boyfriend or girlfriend after you leave this event like that is way too much pressure. Mm-hmm. And not health healthy for any, it's also
[00:09:40] Michael Zarick: probably like not the best mentality though. Yeah.
[00:09:42] Bo Turner: No. It's like good to come with an open mind, say like, okay, I'm going to make some friends here.
And that's how the best relationships start is with friendships, you know? Yeah. And then you get to know them a little bit more. And then if you know something romantic comes out of it, then great.
[00:09:56] Michael Zarick: Do you feel, um, I, I think about this a lot like. Do you feel like especially, um, qualified to talk about relationships as someone who's married?
I feel so there's a, you know, we, you just said like, friends are the best way to like find a relationship, but there's always that thing. It's like you shouldn't date your friends, but it's like, no, who else are you supposed to date? Like my wife is literally my best friend. Yeah. We hang out all the time. I imagine it's the same for you, not your wife, your husband, but um.
And I hope it's the same for anyone who finds a relationship that mm-hmm. That is long lasting. Because if you don't like hanging out with who you were around the vast, vast majority of the time, you're not gonna for sure have that, not, not gonna have a good time. Um, any thoughts?
[00:10:41] Bo Turner: I mean, I've been through the dating field like I was on the apps. I met my husband on the app in Hinge about five years ago before COVID.
[00:10:48] Michael Zarick: Mm-hmm.
[00:10:49] Bo Turner: Um, so I So
[00:10:49] Michael Zarick: you found so you found success on the app?
[00:10:51] Bo Turner: on the app? I did, but the apps are very different nowadays. I mean, that was five years ago. Yeah, definitely. Things change in two months, let alone five years. So, um, i, I think the dating apps are good in the sense of, it lets you see a bunch of people that you might not have, you know? Seen otherwise, but it doesn't work for everybody. Like not every single person is going to find love on a dating app.
So we're just giving people an option to be able to meet in person whenever they feel comfortable and ready to do it. Um, a lot of people do it in tandem. A lot of my friends come to my events and then we also like on the dating apps once in a while. So it's just a way to meet new people that currently there's not a lot of. Spaces for singles to be, feel, comfortable meeting besides, you know, going to a bar and hitting on somebody in a bar. Yeah, definitely. Like, that's not super conducive.
[00:11:44] Michael Zarick: Mm-hmm. All right. I'm gonna subtweet further to my friend.
Yeah. Who is afraid to come. Uh, so if, have you found that, um, I'm just so interested in dating 'cause I don't do it anymore. It's so, so, so you probably have a lot of observations, um, for people who are like, particularly picky, uhhuh, height-wise. Uh, you know, any type of pickiness like religion, personal beliefs, hanging like, uh.
Like, I would never date a surfer or I would never date a guy who plays soccer, that type of thing. Mm-hmm. Have you found that your service sort of breaks through those barriers of, of I've had these preconceived notions about these types of people Yes. And like, oh, I found a. A short king.
[00:12:28] Bo Turner: Yeah. Yeah. Um, we always, my number one rule I put on every single email before is like, the number one rule is come with an open mind. If coming with a very set, like, strict checklist of who you're coming, honestly, just, just don't come. Yeah. Like that. Not saying that those people aren't going to be there, but if you're just checking, if people are just check marks off of a list for you, then that's not the best way to date in my opinion. My husband is not my type, my stereotypical type. I'm married playing poker. I'm married, a professional gambler. Yeah, never would I have thought that
15-year-old
meme would be marrying a poker player. But it's like there's so many more things and factors
that
I really appreciate and love about him that is not directly with correlated to his career.
Um, and from that I really like the things that he like that makes him who he is. So I think it's really important to come with an open mind and. And, you know, obviously have your preferences and you have to have a traction. And there are some, you know, deal breakers for you. But these events are really meant for giving people in person connection and these people that you just wouldn't consider, um, maybe your type on a dating app.
[00:13:39] Michael Zarick: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I, I just wanna say, not to like sell you short, but this is true of anything outside of, um, find Indianapolis. Mm-hmm. Like just, if you're going out and you're looking for love, look, look at places that you might not expect or like go. Yeah, go try a pottery class and maybe, you know, you make a connection with someone or go, um, which you do also.
You did like pasta making and stuff, but like go out and like, try something new, try something unexpected, and then you never know where you. You find someone, you make a, like, a real, like you feel a spark, as they say. Mm-hmm. Um, so yeah. Um, anything else about FIND Indianapolis you wanna talk about before we move on to the next topic?
[00:14:18] Bo Turner: No, I think that's it. Those are some good questions.
[00:14:20] Michael Zarick: Okay. Uh, Bo Yeah. The previous guest, Michael Green, from Flags for Good has a question for you. All right. Um, which, think on that, because you'll have to do that later on. Uh, Michael Bow or Michael Bow? Michael Green. Uh, he asks, is there something that is core to your identity, , like deep down, deep deeply core to who you are.
[00:14:45] Bo Turner: Okay.
[00:14:45] Michael Zarick: And how do you. Express it
[00:14:48] Bo Turner: deeply core to my identity and how I express it. Um, there's a couple things. I think one would be being an Asian adoptee. I really like, like it's a really special thing that I've grown to like over my adulthood. Um, not saying when I was a child it was bad, but I didn't really Understand what it was until I got older and how special it is, and especially how grateful I am to be in the States versus being in China. I studied abroad in China in college, just, just to go over there and experience coun
country and culture. Um, so I was over there for about six weeks and. It's a lovely place to visit and to be a tourist.
[00:15:35] Michael Zarick: Yeah.
[00:15:35] Bo Turner: But it's not, not a place I I would would ever wanna live.
[00:15:38] Michael Zarick: Sure. Um,
[00:15:39] Bo Turner: so that was fun. That was like a really eye opening experience. It really made me grateful and also just like, makes me take chances and opportunities I probably wouldn't have otherwise. Like didn't go to China. Um, it's just like knowing all of the different freedoms and, you know, things that we are able to do here regardless of the political climate.
Um, there's just those core values that America really kind of stable has.
[00:16:06] Michael Zarick: Is that the first like major trip you took?
[00:16:08] Bo Turner: No.
[00:16:09] Michael Zarick: No. No. Okay. I was wondering because I know you like traveling.
[00:16:11] Bo Turner: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That was, that was actually my second one is, is traveling is. Is super core to my identity. Um, my entire life is focused around having the flexibility to travel and that's pretty much all I spent money on.
Mm-hmm. So it's like some people buy fancy cars or have like a big house. Um, I spent all my money on traveling. Yeah, that's,
[00:16:33] Michael Zarick: you visited like, it was like two weeks ago. You went to like four cities or something.
Yeah. So you're like going beast mode.
Yeah.
[00:16:40] Bo Turner: So it's like. Like, those are the things that, that that are really core to me is is being Asian Chinese adoptee and traveling.
[00:16:48] Michael Zarick: Definitely. And as, um. Well, I guess you already kind of answered that, but like, that sort of guides a lot of your decision making in terms of, like that's why you are such an entrepreneur because you really wanna work for yourself and sort of, uh, find time to like, to dodge dip, dodge and dive.
I don't know what the words are. Um, but outside of, like, outside of those times where you're traveling, like I. Promise. Anybody who follows you on social media or FIND Indianapolis or find, what's the other one? Find, find fun, Indianapolis. Yeah. Or just find fun.
[00:17:25] Bo Turner: Find fun India.
[00:17:26] Michael Zarick: Okay? Yeah, you are. Excuse my, uh, French fucking grinding like you are out here.
Dancing on this corner of Mass Ave with a, uh, like need. Just say love.
[00:17:40] Bo Turner: It's a single
[00:17:41] Michael Zarick: It's a single on a single question mark. Sign.
Quite literally making a fool of yourself.
But who cares.
cares? Thanks.
Uh, doesn't work.
[00:17:47] Bo Turner: Um, people come up to people speak.
I'm really bad at cold approaching people, so I'm probably one of the worst salespeople in that sense. Um, but
I have the sign and people approach me, I can talk all day, but I, it's really hard for me to like cold approach somebody, which I need to, like I need to get better at. But it's just my instinct.
[00:18:08] Michael Zarick: I have taken up this really bad habit. I've said this so many times over the past week, but this is a terrible habit looking someone in the eye and being like, where do I know you from?
And then I let them figure it out. It's so bad. It's terrible. 'cause most of the time. There's no, you don't, they don't know. There's no either, either. I think I know them and there's actually nothing there. Or, um, I absolutely don't. And then it's like, but then we start talking and then it's like, that's my cold approach.
It's just causing immediate confusion. It's terrible. You should go. Um, but sometimes it works out. I don't know. Yeah. It's, um, and I also am a really good person of being like, um, just like also looking someone in the eye. I think that's the important thing is like meeting someone where they're at,
making eye contact. And then they're, they're locked in. They're stuck. Mm-hmm. And you just go, who are you? Like, what's going on? I literally say that a lot. Like, who are you? Mm-hmm. Um, and I think people just, I like that. People love, people love talking about themselves. Um, Bo third spaces, yes.
[00:19:06] Bo Turner: yes.
[00:19:07] Michael Zarick: You claim to be very passionate about this, and I'm sure it's true. Tell me, tell me your feelings about the state of the world in third spaces. On Third Space Indy
[00:19:15] Bo Turner: Yeah. Um, I was let's say, the, yeah, the lack of third spaces in America is really sad. Compared to europe or pretty much europe. And it's like, I was trying to think of Asian places, have their spaces. And they do a little bit, but, um,
[00:19:36] Michael Zarick: so speaking of like China, yeah. Did you know that, um, Mahjong is on the come up in America? Do you know what Mahjong is? Yeah. Yeah. It's like an old Chinese board game. And I always think of like, uh, stereotypically like an old Chinese lady with a cigarette. Yeah. In like a smoky, like warehouse, like playing Mahjong. Um, that's like a third space in a lot of ways.
That's, but like, uh, I'm thinking about talking to a Mahjong person. That'd be interesting. Yeah. Um, but yeah. Like what, why do you think third spaces are like struggling to find footholds?
[00:20:09] Bo Turner: I think it's capitalism.
[00:20:11] Michael Zarick: Okay. Yeah. It's just that easy.
[00:20:12] Bo Turner: cause 'cause I mean, the fact is like, and I get it, like I'm a business owner, like, you need to make money if you're providing a service or product. And the gover, I feel like the government and the city needs to take ownership of creating, or a nonprofit, like something that. There's not a, a, you know, for-profit tied to it where it's a community space where people can gather, hang out. My favorite place that I consider Third Space that I found in Indy, and there could be other ones, but the ones that I've seen, it's like Midtown Carmel,
and that's in Carmel. You said that before. Um, it's. It's, they have picnic benches, seating, and it's like the seating that's welcoming for people to actually gather and hang out. It's not like park benches. Yeah. You you can't talk to people on park benches. Um, and they have like the ping pong table. They have those free movie nights with a screen and then there's commerce around. Yeah. Which is like a very much like a town square we see in Europe. Like there's a free space where people can hang out.
It's safe. Um, it's very family friendly. And then there's commerce around. So if people want to get a drink or get something to eat, they're welcome to, but there's not a pressure of, you know, having to spend money to be able to just to be around other people.
[00:21:25] Michael Zarick: Yeah.
[00:21:25] Bo Turner: Um, which I think coffee shops are a really good third space in the sense of like, that's all that we really have right now.
And it's low bare entry. You can be a cup of coffee for like for three to seven. Yeah.
Yeah. Um, and you'll probably see similar people around there, but a lot of times people are working, if they're on their laptops, there's not a lot of. Just opening mingling. So that's one of the reasons why I really am excited about like these coffee club events that, um, we have scheduled for Find Fun Indy. It's turning a coffee shop into a rave at 11:00 AM
[00:21:57] Michael Zarick: Bro, I actually, that was the reason Michael Green wanted to give you a high five.
Oh, really? Um, 'cause he was like, he was like, we just need a place that sells bagels. Like good bagels, not like Einstein Bagels. Yeah. And just like has a DJ there. He goes, I have a vision. I was like, I, I was like, you know. Bo's doing something like that. He's like, yeah, I want to give her a five.
I like, he's like, I really want to go, but I'm gonna be outta town.
I was like, okay,
okay.
well there's more than one.
[00:22:23] Bo Turner: Yeah, like four. Just schedule some more.
We have one a month, so we'll kind of see how that cadence goes.
[00:22:28] Michael Zarick: I didn't mean for this to be a giant ad for you, but also I love what you're doing. So it's, thank you.
oh, I've been saying a couple things recently that I, I hope, vibe with you a little bit.
first of all, You can't build true community off a transactional relationship. Mm-hmm. Um, I truly believe that if you are just like, I don't know, you don't have a real friendship with the person at the farmer's market, um, if you just go up and buy. But if you sit there and like are building a relationship with them, that is when the true sort of community happens.
Mm-hmm. Um, and then the other thing, the other line that I'm, I'm, I'm. What's the word? Like working on Yeah. Is that like a lot of businesses, and this is just a fact, a lot of businesses use the word community when they mean, uh, customers. Mm. Um, I don't want to call anyone out, but there's a couple out there who are like, oh, we love our community.
It's like, no, you love the people who buy from you. Which of course, like you need customers to sustain yourself. Mm-hmm. Um, but it's definitely just a marketing, uh, term. , And I think that definitely plays a lot into this idea of like. Capitalism, putting pressure on third spaces to sustain themselves.
Mm-hmm. Um, but there's, there's lovely spaces around, I, uh, interviewed a guy named Bill Brooks. He runs The Urban Times last week. Mm-hmm. And he hangs out at the Red Door Cafe, which is a coffee shop downtown. Yeah. I have never been somewhere where every single person in attendance at a coffee shop, just like they all know each other by their first and last name, they say, how you doing?
And it's like, they must all go there every day because they, it was like. It was so nice. I so sweet. Couldn't explain. Yeah, it was amazing. Um, so like to your point about like coffee shops being that, and that's kind of what, like in England, I think of like the neighborhood pub or, yeah. Um,
[00:24:15] Bo Turner: yeah, and everything is just more walkable in different cities.
I think that's a big thing that hurts our, like the American cultures, like the suburbs and just the land development and rezoning and the zoning of everything. I watched a lot of YouTube videos on this. I'm not an expert, so all my, what's your favorite channel? Drop 'em.
[00:24:32] Michael Zarick: You
[00:24:33] Bo Turner: You don't know any, it's just they just send me, the algorithm just sends me stuff about this, but. They were, they always say I can't it was like, Copenhagen is one of the happiest places on Earth in this one survey. But the reason is because they have, you know, a lot of good infrastructure and there's also a big sense of community, actual, like organizations like businesses will say, Hey, you can take off, you get off work at four to go to your club.
Yeah. Like to hang out for a couple hours before you go home.
That's just very ingrained in the culture. And when I went to Copenhagen, went on a walking tour and was like learning and learning about all this stuff and they were like, yeah, A lot of times like if you have something that is where you have to leave work early for your organization or your club, your bosses will let you and they'll just be like, flex your hours and get your work done another day.
But they are very open in giving that time for people to do stuff outside of their work, which I think is really special. And the American hustle culture
is, can be very toxic. Um, and I get caught up in it a lot of the times of saying like, oh, I need to like i'd be working right now because I don't have time to relax. Like I, i need to do work on my business. But there's something I learned like very early on was like, don't mix your free time with availability. And just because you have, you are available to work. Doesn't mean that you should. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. So I try to remind myself of that once in a while, especially when I start getting burned out. I'm like, it's okay if just sit and watch eight episodes of Netflix right now.
[00:26:15] Michael Zarick: Um.
Just to, to drop some YouTube channels. 'cause I have not done this before, but some of the YouTube channels that have really inspired me, and this is probably one that you've seen, is, um, Not Just Bikes. Um, he is very Netherlands centric.
Uh, he is like an American who's an expat in the Netherlands and just like, frankly kind of shits on America, American infrastructure. But he talks about it from a very factual way. Like, Hey, here's safety metrics, here's. Um, why cars are bad for cities, all of these types of things. Yeah. And the other one I really, I really like is called City Nerd.
And um, this dude, I think he's con no, I think he's American. He might be Canadian. I don't know. Oh wait, no, Not Just Bikes is definitely Canadian. 'cause he comes from um, oh whatever. Um, but City Nerd is like. He's such, such a dry personality that it circles back on being like interesting and humorous. I don't know how to explain it.
He's got such a dry delivery, but he is also like, he's got a.
a, it's just
is, is really enjoyable to watch. I don't know why. Uh, so those are my two drops. I wanna say. Yesterday I talked to Chelsea Marberg, who used to be the director, CEO, I don't know what her title was of The Speakeasy. And she told me, oh yeah, she knows you and um, she works at the Propylaeum now, and the two employees that were there were Chelsea and Kelsey. And I was like, oh my God, save me. Um, yeah. But she said something to me that I really connected with.
Mm-hmm. Um, which was that people who are millennial, um, I believe you consider yourself a millennial or on the on, I always say like I'm on the edge of like millennial and Gen Z. Um, but especially older millennials, we have this. Knowledge, it just lives in our brains. That third spaces, clubs, membership organizations, these spaces that we are physical locations, tangible.
You have these con uh, you can make connections with people. Mm-hmm. We know so deeply that these places. Are good for us. Mm-hmm.
[00:28:16] Bo Turner: Mm-hmm.
[00:28:17] Michael Zarick: Um, and that we should like, go to them. But we're also have this like, obsession with efficiency. Mm-hmm. So if you can seek out, uh, information or get something done more quickly, than going to one of these places, you're just gonna do it.
That's why, why Uber is a thing, why Uber Eats is a thing. Like rather than taking the time to go pick up your pizza at the pizza shop, you just have it. Hand delivered to you by your, your personal servant. Um, even though, you know, like going and like looking someone in the eye and thanking them for your pizza is like way better for you as a, as a society and as a individual.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I mean, like, does that like connect with you positive? I mean, I, I don't. DoorDash or get food delivery, but
Me neither. But it's too expensive.
Well, mine purely
[00:29:07] Bo Turner: for the fact is like once it's getting delivered, it's not as good. And I'm like, if I'm paying this much money for restaurant food mm-hmm. I'm eating it hot and fresh. Mm-hmm. I'm not waiting 30 minutes for it to get to my house for the convenience. Um, um. Yeah, I definitely, so I think it goes back to college, like why do we all miss college?
It's not because we were broke and we all partied all the time. Like nobody wants to do that anymore. But it's the fact that we operated like a little city, like in Europe, like you live, you if you lived on campus, you just walked to classes, call
[00:29:46] Michael Zarick: State.
[00:29:46] Bo Turner: I went to Indiana State. Indiana State.
[00:29:48] Michael Zarick: it.
[00:29:48] Bo Turner: So it's like you live on campus, you walk to class, you hang out with your friends, there's a community food court. Mm-hmm. Um, um,
you have extracurriculars, you have organizations, fraternities, sororities, academic organizations. You are always around your friends.
[00:30:04] Michael Zarick: Mm-hmm.
[00:30:04] Bo Turner: And even if you do like commute, it's still. You know, five or 10 minutes away mm-hmm. And, and and you're seeing the same
[00:30:12] Michael Zarick: people every day.
[00:30:12] Bo Turner: Yeah. Like, you. Or living room. Run your best friends.
So I have all of our, my best friends in a group chat, and it's called like Future Neighbors. 'cause that is my plan for all of us to figure out how to all buy houses and live together. Um,
[00:30:26] Michael Zarick: that'd be an interesting, like, oh, if someone wants to run a business like that, get a set of friends and then like, I don't know, I hate landlords, so like whatever, but like
buy a set of property and then like sell it to that set of friends. Like that sounds sick. I
[00:30:40] Bo Turner: i know, i I know. And and you could have, I think it's actually like the price differences, like friends on different, like income levels. So if you had like a smaller version and a bigger version, but then you had a communal space, like a little, a little So that'd be so cute.
[00:30:53] Michael Zarick: I mean, or we could just improve our infrastructure and I mean, but no, even
[00:30:56] Bo Turner: apartment buildings exist. I, a lot of my friends live, I've never lived in apartment building, but. My have, and they say community like, like there is no community in an apartment building.
[00:31:06] Michael Zarick: That's because you can, I don't know. You can't really.
[00:31:10] Bo Turner: I know, but like that is American
[00:31:11] Michael Zarick: apartment
[00:31:12] Bo Turner: buildings are
[00:31:12] Michael Zarick: so poopy.
[00:31:13] Bo Turner: That is actually like a dormitory. Yeah. You have your own separate dorms. Yeah. But I think apartment buildings is also. Do a lot more to help connect their residents.
[00:31:24] Michael Zarick: Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. I That's why your RA is important. I was an RA. Yes.
[00:31:27] Bo Turner: Your
[00:31:28] Michael Zarick: RA, they told you
[00:31:30] Bo Turner: they need to get RAs in apartment buildings. Now
[00:31:32] Michael Zarick: that would be, that would be crazy.
Imagine like, imagine like, imagine being like, uh, like a 40-year-old man being like, I talked to the RA. Or like, or like gonna the RA be like, I smelled weed down the hall. Man, that would be terrible. Um,
that would be funny. Oh my God. Um,
[00:31:50] Bo Turner: there's another thing very interesting on people's backyards.
Like even when people live in subdivisions, whenever I watch this video on when. People took down their fences and everybody in the backyards like combined their yards into creating a a garden, like a courtyard and a courtyard with like different little pockets
Mm-hmm. That would
also help. Mm-hmm. A ton. You could actually grow a little. Sustainable on.
[00:32:15] Michael Zarick: So Jeffrey Tompkins, who was on the pod, well he was on the podcast I released last week. He's a city planner.
Mm-hmm. He released like this PDF, uh, of, 'cause he announces who, his new design firm, um, and he designed this space in Chicago. Mm-hmm. That takes the sort of Chicago, Chicago has a, like a vast alleyway system, I guess. Mm-hmm. Um, and sort of expands upon that. To make apartment buildings that have courtyards, like mutual shared courtyards in the middle.
Yeah. So that way it's like when I'm outside, like my dog's pooping, or like my kid is playing in the courtyard, uh, you know, I might see, see my neighbor and just like talk to him. And then as soon as you make that connection again, this apartment building I, I can see right here, doesn't foster that kind of connection.
There's no, you just, you probably leave, go to work and then come home and then you lock yourself away and watch Netflix. That's what the, I imagine the average person does. Which is why third spaces are important 'cause it forces you out of your home. Mm-hmm. Um, but if you have that sort of communal space, your lived environment is fostering an opportunity to like meet someone, that's when you really find
like,
[00:33:24] Bo Turner: yeah. Um,
[00:33:25] Michael Zarick: that's, that's
[00:33:25] Bo Turner: awesome.
[00:33:26] Michael Zarick: it. I know. I dunno. Um,
[00:33:28] Bo Turner: We're very, humans are creatures of routine, so unless
somebody breaks it for you or do you have that? Instinct to break it. Mm-hmm.
It's not gonna change.
[00:33:37] Michael Zarick: So there's, there's something I think about, and I don't know if you've ever thought about this before, but if you walk around over in our neighborhood, are you comfortable with me telling people that we live around here?
Yeah. Um, live in Broad Ripple. You'll notice, um, that these are much older houses. Mm-hmm. First of all, and due to them being older houses, many of them do not have.
Front porches.
Oh, I was gonna say they do have front porches, but I was gonna say, oh well maybe you feel differently. Through them being older houses, many of them do not have garages.
Oh. Um, and when you imagine the way interactions happen naturally. Mm-hmm. If I am in a suburban environment, I lived in Carmel, I live in, I don't where, just any newer development. Mm-hmm. All newer developments and new houses build with a garage on the front of your house. So you just. Slide in, you get outta your car and you walk straight into your house.
You never interact with your, your neighborhood at all. Yeah. Um, what I like about Broad Ripple and I actually personally think there are a good number of, uh, rather than garages
on the front of houses, there are front porches. Uh, you don't feel that way? Really? No. No. On my
[00:34:46] Bo Turner: street there's not a single. Front porch.
[00:34:48] Michael Zarick: That's crazy. I don't know.
[00:34:49] Bo Turner: I want a front porch. I. Hate my back porch.
[00:34:52] Michael Zarick: Um, but like this, this change in design, at least from my perception, maybe not yours mm-hmm. Um, of moving away from having a, a communal space in the front of your house mm-hmm. To having a garage that you just go into has totally removed the ability to, um, to see who your neighbors are, to see who your neighbors are, or like have the 10 seconds that you walk to your house.
I walk into your front door, uh, to like have a chance to like, see the mailman or like see whoever. Mm-hmm. Um, is like another
just way we have removed the ability to, to make a connection.
[00:35:26] Bo Turner: Yeah. I never thought about garages, but that makes
sense.
[00:35:28] Michael Zarick: Yeah. I wanna know, so do you hang out in, uh, you have an, just from my perception, you had like a pool in your backyard or something, right?
Or is that someone someone else sell? We just,
[00:35:39] Bo Turner: yeah. Yeah. We
[00:35:40] Michael Zarick: Do you have, um, like little house parties or,
[00:35:43] Bo Turner: Um, sometimes I would love to,
I've actually wanna do that, Bo my birthday, but
[00:35:48] Michael Zarick: blocks from each other and invite me over.
[00:35:51] Bo Turner: I do really last minute planning for my personal life. Like my bus, like with
my business, everything is so planned out. My personal life is spur of the moment. Yeah. So you can ask my friends, they'll like text me two hours before if I'm free I'll let, yeah, let's go.
[00:36:06] Michael Zarick: Yeah.
[00:36:07] Bo Turner: Um,
but
I'm really bad at planning. Like personal things long term.
Mm-hmm.
I would love to have a house party. That'd be fun. I actually, we do, we do have parties, uh, for like Chinese New Year, always have people over. Oh, that's awesome. And for like our birthdays. Um, so
[00:36:23] Michael Zarick: yeah, of this podcast, I have started to meet more and more people in Broad Ripple. And I, I like them all because when I meet people through this podcast, it's specifically because I like them, that they're either on or like I'm talking to them about it.
Uhhuh, um. And I've always wanted to have like a dinner club, like do once a month, like pick someone's house, they're gonna cook and host. Uh, and then you, have the people over and you say, Hey, bring a drink or bring a whatever. Bring a side. Yeah. And then maybe we talk about that later.
Yeah.
Yeah.
[00:36:53] Bo Turner: Uh,
Uh,
[00:36:54] Michael Zarick: but I just like the thing
[00:36:55] Bo Turner: you're gonna have, it depends on how many people, Broad Ripple houses are small.
That's the only thing.
[00:37:00] Michael Zarick: I got a big table in my little, our house in our tiny kitchen.
[00:37:03] Bo Turner: Is old and it's not, it's not open concept,
this is why
[00:37:06] Michael Zarick: we have backyards.
[00:37:07] Bo Turner: That is true. We do have big backyards. Um, we do that actually have, we have Asian dinner, so have a group
chat on Instagram with a bunch of Asian people in Indy that we're trying to build that community.
Mm-hmm. Um, so we have monthly dinners for, is that Patrick's thing? Yeah. Okay.
[00:37:22] Michael Zarick: Yeah. Or not his thing necessarily, but he's involved. Yeah. Um. so apparently. He's, he said on his podcast he's bad at organizing that. Okay. Um,
[00:37:31] Bo Turner: I am in charge of the, the monthly dinners. Definitely him and I kind of tag team the monthly dinner stuff.
[00:37:35] Michael Zarick: Definitely. Do you guys like go to a restaurant or do you cook? We just go to a restaurant. Okay. Yeah. Cool. What's the best spots to get food?
[00:37:41] Bo Turner: We just go to random Asian restaurants.
[00:37:43] Michael Zarick: What are of the best ones kind or do you not? Wait, there's a, um, dim sum place. Love Eating Fresh down here. Yes. Yeah, it's good.
Yeah. Remember I told you about Indianapolis Community Yoga? They
said that that guy's, the guy
who runs that place is like a. He's like the, is he
[00:37:57] Bo Turner: a yogi?
[00:37:58] Michael Zarick: I don't know. Um, is that the word for people who do yoga? Mm-hmm. I've never heard that before.
Oh. It's
Yogi Bear. That's cool. He's like the, like the mascot or like when they get
unofficial, like, we always go there after yoga.
Yeah. I thought that was so funny.
Yeah. We love Eating Fresh. It's very good.
Um, there's like a dim sum place out near like north. It's like north. East of where we are now, on the outside 4
65, um, just outside of 4 65. Do you know what I'm talking about? Apple
[00:38:30] Bo Turner: that shut shut down.
[00:38:31] Michael Zarick: Oh, did it?
Maybe if it's
[00:38:33] Bo Turner: like Benyu
[00:38:35] Michael Zarick: I recall what, maybe it was Benyu.
I don't, I don't know names. I'm terrible. So, Bo tell me about how much time do we have? We have, let's say we got 15 minutes. Um, tell me about Indianapolis. What are you feeling? Do you, do you like Indianapolis? You moved from Terre Haute? Uh, well, not directly right? And then you went to, I grew up in Terre Haute, Indiana State.
Yes.
And then you've been here since?
[00:39:00] Bo Turner: Yeah. I went to Indiana State, worked a couple years and moved here 2020 when when I I met my husband, boyfriend. Mm-hmm. Boyfriend at the time. And then husband, not not husband. Cool. So all worked out, moved to Indy for a boy. How but all my friends are here, so it. It were
out well.
[00:39:15] Michael Zarick: Were your friends here because of Indiana State or 'cause yeah, pretty much much. Everyone just came here.
[00:39:19] Bo Turner: Pretty much all my friends from
[00:39:20] Michael Zarick: Indiana State,
[00:39:20] Bo Turner: and then.
they now live here. Yeah, it's good. I like it. My family is, you know, an hour and a half away in Terre Haute, so you can still see them once in a while. Indy has a lot of good people. Um, I really like the little neighborhood pockets that you go to, like every neighborhood's a different vibe like. Broad Ripple versus Mass Ave and,
and Fountain Fletcher Square. Yeah. Um, and then also, I love Broad, I love living in Broad Ripple
specifically because mm-hmm.
We're in between downtown and Carmel, so you can like, mm. Bop between those. And it's not,
[00:39:56] Michael Zarick: you're the only person I've talked to who's like into Carmel. It
really, that's, that's true. That is true. Like,
uh, I think the average person on my podcast has like beef with Carmel.
[00:40:06] Bo Turner: Wow.
[00:40:06] Michael Zarick: Well,
I, well,
[00:40:07] Bo Turner: I, I only know, I've only been, I've, I've never had any issues. With
Carmel, so I Carmel. Um, I'm,
[00:40:14] Michael Zarick: I'm neutral on it. It's like oh, I went there, I met a
[00:40:16] Bo Turner: lot of good people there. So yeah, i, there's good people everywhere. I don't know, unless there's a lot of jerks up there then maybe, But I know there's jerks
[00:40:24] Michael Zarick: everywhere.
I think it's sort of like a, people have this perception of like, snootiness. It's like, oh, we have roundabouts. I fucking love
[00:40:30] Bo Turner: roundabouts. I love
[00:40:31] Michael Zarick: roundabouts too. Like,
[00:40:33] Bo Turner: why? I don't know why people hate on roundabouts. It, there's absolutely nothing. They're positive in every single way. Mm-hmm.
Definitely. And I listen to mini podcasts about roundabouts too.
[00:40:44] Michael Zarick: You're like, I,
[00:40:45] Bo Turner: I'm very passionate. I
[00:40:47] Michael Zarick: sometimes Anna and I'll go driving around, Anna's
my wife. Um, we'll go driving around, I'll be like, this intersection should absolutely be a roundabout. I just like will point it out, be like
[00:40:56] Bo Turner: every time I sit in a red light for longer than five seconds, I'm like, why is this not a roundabout? And there's nobody around me. Yeah. That's the thing that pisses me more. They did a study on how much time people spent sitting at stoplights. Like, it's like weeks of your life.
Yeah.
When you could just be in a roundabout and get to the place done.
[00:41:14] Michael Zarick: Yeah.
I will say the, the first and only time I visited Carmel. Yeah, the very first roundabout off the highway, I straight up almost got a wreck, which is all on me. Entirely on me. But you didn't know how to drive a roundabout.
No, I know how to drive around roundabouts. I just was clearly out of it or something. I didn't get an a wreck though. It doesn't matter. Yeah. Um, but the guy like stared at, he was like, you are a fucking idiot. He honked and uh, whatever. Um, but I personally, like, I like what they're doing up there.
I think that they've got the right, um, direction and idea of what I would like to see in cities. Um, just in terms of like. Traffic, calming streets and more dense, uh, like shops and like living above shops, things like that. Mm-hmm. I, I really love that. Um, so I think they're, they have a, a correct direction. They also have improvements they can make, but. Everyone. Can always improve. Yeah.
[00:42:04] Bo Turner: Yeah.
[00:42:04] Michael Zarick: Yeah.
Carmel. Um,
I don't know.
[00:42:09] Bo Turner: Yeah. Indianapolis is great. I love, I love living here. Don't have any plans to move anytime soon.
Mm-hmm.
[00:42:14] Michael Zarick: Now you said you love Broad Ripple because of its central location. Do you love Broad Ripple for any other reasons? I, i'm interested. I like
[00:42:19] Bo Turner: this little walkable area. Mm-hmm. Like this kind of space. Yeah. I'm not into Broad Ripple nightlife, like that's just not my scene. But I like Broad Ripple.
[00:42:27] Michael Zarick: Yeah.
You and I are sort of out of that age range. Yeah. Where like I go to bed at like 10:00 PM instead of like, i, like
[00:42:34] Bo Turner: I, i'll stay up, like I'll go downtown and go dancing at Brothers. Like i'll still do that, but that's where all the people are like, unfortunately. And that like in Broad Ripple has just calmed down a lot. A lot. Yeah, which it's really good. Like respect. I know there's a lot of stuff happening that is not safe. Yeah. But, um, I, I'm excited to see where Broad Ripple will go, especially in the next few years with these new developments, uh, happening. And yeah, bringing in some like new fresh businesses mm-hmm.
And local businesses. What I really like seeing is a lot of the local stuff that's popping up and staying around. Uh, we always like to support local as much as we can.
[00:43:10] Michael Zarick: Absolutely. My personal favorite thing about Broad Ripple is I live like less than a five minute walk From the Red Line. Yeah. And I ride the red line like three times a week.
Nice. Not to, not, I have to hype up the bus every time. Yeah. I love IndyGo
IndyGo!
I love IndyGo Do you ride the bus? I
[00:43:28] Bo Turner: haven't
[00:43:29] Michael Zarick: yet. Okay.
I've been
[00:43:30] Bo Turner: to, Anytime
[00:43:30] Michael Zarick: you want that's it's call me up.
[00:43:32] Bo Turner: Alright.
[00:43:33] Michael Zarick: I know how to ride a bus, but like sometimes
it's scary your first time. I don't know. No. Okay. You're braver the most,
[00:43:39] Bo Turner: well, I like ride public trains when I travel, so like I'm very Oh, okay. I know how to use it. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people don't know how to use a bus system. Definitely.
[00:43:45] Michael Zarick: I, I, it's super easy. Just download an app and you like, tap the thingy and then you go get on. Half the time they, I don't shouldn't say this, but half the time they don't check if you done fair. Uh, but they do have inspectors. So like, oh, oh, if you get on the bus and there's an inspector and you haven't paid, they will
[00:44:00] Bo Turner: they'll get you
berate you.
[00:44:01] Michael Zarick: So, um, oh,
[00:44:03] Bo Turner: good
[00:44:03] Michael Zarick: Oh, I
[00:44:04] Bo Turner: love. I really like public transportation. I wish there was better transportation in the states. If I could not have a car, that would be phenomenal.
[00:44:11] Michael Zarick: I think a lot of people feel similarly,
and I have expensive for no reason.
I personally love the bus. it's gonna sound so silly, uh, but I guess it's not that common anymore.
Uh, unfortunately as I've picked up reading again mm-hmm. As, as an adult, and I just love. Expanding my mind in that way. Yeah. Um, but the bus is like the perfect time to read. Yeah. It's amazing. I just like when I would, if let's to get to, uh, Fountain Square takes 30 minutes in my car, 25, 30 minutes, um, that is 25 minutes of just pure focus time.
Mm-hmm. When I can't do anything else. You shouldn't be on your phone. I'm not on my phone, but if I'm on a bus, it takes slightly longer, around 40 to get to Fletcher Place. But that's 40 minutes I can spend reading instead of driving. And I,
I eat that up. That's great. Yeah. That's amazing.
[00:45:02] Bo Turner: I love,
I hate driving
[00:45:04] Michael Zarick: boo
[00:45:04] Bo Turner: boo driving.
Um,
[00:45:06] Michael Zarick: Bo is there anything else you wanna on here on the Third
Space
Indie podcast?
[00:45:11] Bo Turner: Um, no,
Um, not right now. I would love to figure out how to to somehow bring third spaces, like really cool organic third spaces to places. Mm-hmm. To Indy or neighborhoods or things like this, like this building, you know what I mean?
Like this,
[00:45:35] Michael Zarick: this could be something.
[00:45:36] Bo Turner: Could be something.
[00:45:37] Michael Zarick: Yeah.
[00:45:37] Bo Turner: And
[00:45:38] Michael Zarick: I actually feel kind of cool standing here. I
[00:45:40] Bo Turner: know like it has shelter has umbrellas. It's like how can we utilize these empty places at their as third spaces? Mm-hmm. So that's all my.
My list of Where's the
[00:45:51] Michael Zarick: spirit? Halloween third space.
Exactly. We need to talk about this more pop up. Third spaces I, third spaces. Hmm.
[00:45:58] Bo Turner: I mean, that's, don't you? What? Yeah. Um, but yeah, I'm just trying to figure out how to bring third spaces in, like events and things to Indianapolis that are fun and unique.
[00:46:11] Michael Zarick: Yeah. Yeah.
In my opinion, you do a great job. Thank you. Yeah.
[00:46:13] Bo Turner: Anytime anybody says an event at another city. You send it to me 'cause like I'll figure out how to do it if I also like it. Is that where the, I don't do events that I personally. Do not want to do, mm-hmm.
[00:46:25] Michael Zarick: Which, which, that's where the rave
came from. 'cause you saw somewhere else. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Where was that? That? You saw
[00:46:30] Bo Turner: every single other city. Oh,
[00:46:31] Michael Zarick: just not Indy.
Yeah. We're so late to the game
[00:46:34] Bo Turner: from
New York, Charlotte, Berlin, like every California, la, every single other city besides the Midwest.
[00:46:41] Michael Zarick: I'm so excited to see how the first one goes. I'm very excited too. Um, 'cause it's sold out, right? Yeah. That's pretty cool. It's, um, Bo what question would you like to ask the next Third Space Indy guest?
Um. It does not have to be about community. It does not have to be about dating. It does not have to be about. About he's
[00:46:57] Bo Turner: it's not gonna ask about.
[00:46:58] Michael Zarick: Yeah. Yeah. But anything in your heart that you would like to ask them? Person?
[00:47:05] Bo Turner: Yes. Um, is the reason you're doing what you're doing at a passion or obligation?
[00:47:13] Michael Zarick: Oh, that's a banger question. Yeah. Right on. Right?
[00:47:16] Bo Turner: Thanks Michael.
[00:47:18] Michael Zarick: Yeah. Thank you so much for joining me on Third Space Indy miss Bo Turner. us where we can find. You
[00:47:24] Bo Turner: can find us on Instagram. Um, findindianapolis.com and then well, we can find us on Instagram, FIND Indianapolis, and then for our nons singles events you can find us at FIND Fun.
Indy. Yeah,
[00:47:35] Michael Zarick: let's go.
[00:47:36] Bo Turner: Let's
go. Uh,
[00:47:38] Michael Zarick: if you're single and looking for love,
[00:47:40] Bo Turner: come speed Dating.
[00:47:41] Michael Zarick: Come speed dating. I And if you do, please message me I want to hear how it goes. Like, I'm so interested. Like it's such. It's so interesting.
Yeah. Um,
[00:47:51] Bo Turner: it's a good time. I love seeing all the connections and people are just so happy, like when they leave, it's
really good.
[00:47:56] Michael Zarick: Yeah. And I just love, like, I might go to a speed friending thing just to like see. 'Cause I just love like meeting people. That's why I do this. I just love meeting people.
Anyways, thank you so much for listening or watching Third Space Indy. You find me thirdspaceIndy.com or at Third Space Indy on Instagram and TikTok.
Uh, also, if you go to thirdspaceIndy.com, I write a blog post every week. Please give me your email. I wanna send you a blog post. I work really hard on it. Anyways, thank you, Bo. Thank you for watching. Thanks. Have a good rest of the day. Oh wait. High five. How's that?
Good.
[00:48:37] Bo Turner: Good. Let's see if my phone exploded.