Ep. 20 - Michael Zarick - Host of Third Space Indy
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Intro
Normally, when you want to share your idea, you do it before you start and are 20 episodes in. But Third Space Indy was hardly even a fleshed-out idea back in March. Now it’s most of what I think about and do.
So I decided to take my 30th birthday for myself and spend a moment making an “episode 0” and sharing the way I think about this podcast with the people, and set the foundation for going forward. I hope you take the time to listen and enjoy.
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Production learnings from the episode
This is my first episode released using my new phone and the microphone plugged into it. Thank goodness for no longer having to sync audio. I can already tell that it’s perfect or nearly perfect, and it reduced my workload by at least an hour.
The other challenge here that I learned is that talking to someone else for an hour is very easy. In fact, I could do it longer if it wasn’t such a drag to edit it beyond an hour, and scheduling wasn’t a thing. Talking to yourself into a camera without a script (and even with a script), on the other hand, is very difficult. This was an interesting experiment in gathering my thoughts and sharing them.
Lastly, this video is so yellow. Direct yellow sunlight, with an orange shirt and brown pants, is just very yellow. Something to think about. Also, a secret for the blog post only, I really need to throw those pants away or get them patched because the crotch is worn AF 😅.
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No further reflection this week. I hope you enjoyed reading and listening.
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Episode Summary
The Power of Third Spaces and Embracing Community
In this episode of Third Space Indy, host Michael Zarick reflects on the concept of third spaces as coined by Ray Oldenburg, emphasizing their importance in fostering community and connections outside of home and work. He encourages listeners to engage more with others, stressing the need for social practice. Michael highlights the purpose of his podcast, its evolution, and his personal growth over the past year. He acknowledges how third spaces help build deeper relationships, empathy, and advocacy. The episode touches on feelings of loneliness, the importance of creating positive media, and future plans for cultivating community events. Michael shares his insights on the ideas of serendipity and the inherent goodness of people, ultimately advocating for a better, more connected world.
00:00 Introduction and Social Challenge
01:10 Meet the Host: Michael Zarick
01:52 First Sponsor: City Rising
03:55 Understanding Third Spaces
07:37 The Power of Connection
10:19 Addressing Loneliness
13:22 The Origin of Third Space Indy
20:04 Reflections on Turning 30
26:47 Future Plans and Community Events
28:29 The Importance of Socializing
36:21 Final Thoughts and Positivity
Episode Transcript
Michael Zarick
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Michael Zarick: [00:00:00] So my challenge to you here if you take away nothing else from this podcast, that if you ever hear something from me from a guest on this podcast that you like or you see an artist on the street or on Instagram or just walking by, or you're walking past someone in the street and you like their outfit, just reach out to them.
Any of those people that I just mentioned or more reach out to them. Say, I like what you're doing. I like what you said. I like your art. I like. you. Hey, you wanna go on a date, you can do that too. Not to me. Don't ask me on a date. My wife would not be happy. But socializing is like a muscle, and right now very few people are flexing that muscle.
And that's why the social fabric, the social strength is weak because we all need practice. And that's what I'm trying to sort of break through. [00:01:00] Hello. My name's Michael Zarick and this is Third Space Indy. Today I am interviewing myself and not really interviewing. I'm reading off a book of notes. If you're watching, here's my book of notes. Holding it up. Um, but I've been thinking a lot about how, um, I haven't been able to share a lot directly about my way of thinking about Third Space Indy, what the purpose of the show is, and just wanna use this episode as a baseline to share the way I think about this show, about Indianapolis as a whole and more community focused.
Um, but first, let's do a small intro. This is the very first episode that has a sponsor. Third Space Indy is now sponsored by my second guest. His name is [00:02:00] Mark Latta. He runs a, an organization slash business called City Rising. City Rising is a social impact studio that is seeking to help organizations and leaders create practices that cultivate communities.
Um, in essence, that means. If you are a person, a business, or an organization that is looking to make change in your environment, in your everyday practices, in the community that you serve, Mark will help you reach those people, um, and reach the goals that you set for yourself and help you. Continue to cultivate those goals to be more effective.
Um, so Mark asked me if he could sponsor my podcast. I said, of course you can sponsor the podcast. 'cause he and I are aligned, um, in many, many ways. Um, and if you want more information about the amount he's giving, um, as well as why I've decided to take him on as a sponsor, there's [00:03:00] information for that on the website.
Um, and of course if you wanna gimme money. We will happily accept your money, but no pressure. Um, yeah, so, hello, my name is Michael Zarick. I am the host of Third Space Indy. This is actually the second time I'm recording this. I also recorded it this morning. Um, but I decided I was not speaking with enough conviction, and I think that was my main hesitation.
But I'm, I'm in a much, um, better head space about doing this right now. I think because of the practice I had. For about an hour this morning and maybe the coffee and the workday that I've already partaken in so I'm doing this to sort of round out my thoughts about Third Space Indy, share a little bit about my thinking, and just sort of go through the motion of the spiel that I give to people when I first meet them.
A lot of times. Um, so the first question I ask people a lot is, do [00:04:00] you know what a third space is? And more often than not, they go either no or they have a general idea, but I just give them the book definition, um, literal book definition. So in 1989, there's a guy, his name is Ray Oldenberg, and he wrote a book called The Great Good Place.
And in this book, because he was a sociologist, um, he, it was sort of a, a academic book in a way, but it's still really well written in my opinion. And of course, 1989 was, uh, what, 30 years ago? Oh, 35. I'm 30 today, today's my birthday, 35 years ago, 36 years ago. Um, so when I read the intro to this book, I go, man, this guy gets it.
Um, and I haven't finished it, but just reading the intro, I was like, dang, this guy sees all the same issues that I see now 36 years ago, and very little has [00:05:00] changed. And that is sort of, uh, an interesting thing to have come to realize that this guy understands all the same issues that I see. That we have not as a city, nation, country, worked towards bettering things in an appropriate way, at least what I view as appropriate. Um, so in this book, he coined the term third place. Um, and what a third place is, is it implies that you have two other places. So a first place. The, the first place is your home.
This is where you live, where you sleep. Um, it's your house, your apartment, whatever. The second place is your place of work. This is where you go and do labor and generate money. Um, and the third place is anywhere outside of those two places. [00:06:00] And it, to me, it is vital that it is outside those two places, although I think there's a little gray area there in terms of what deter what it means to be outside of those places.
Um, but it is vital that you are not at work and not at home, and it is any place that you can go and exist, make friends, build community, and exist regularly. Um, so that is sort of the book definition of a third place. Now the podcast is called Third Space Indy, and the word space is used with intention, because I think.
The idea of a third place has evolved because these places have sort of died off, have gone away, have become more amorphous in nature. I use the term space because I think the word place implies a singular location, whereas space [00:07:00] for people like Tony from Indy Community Yoga, or Casey from We Walk Indy, they are cultivating spaces for people not.
Places for people. And I think that is, uh, powerful in its own way. Although of course a space can also be singular. It's a square rectangle situation. Um, yeah. Um, the other thing I told Mark Latta since he sponsored the podcast is that he could sponsor the question, what is a third place to you? Um, and of course, in this case, what is a third place to me?
How you doing? Good. How are you doing? Well.
I'm in a very public place. I'm coming to realize. Uh, that's fine though. Um, so what is a third place space to me? Um. So, because I think about this a lot, um, a lot of my sort of personal definition is similar to [00:08:00] the, the book definition. Um, but to me a third space is a place that you can regularly go and you do regularly go to make friends, to talk with people and converse, and then by extension of talking with those people and making friends and conversing.
You then begin to develop deeper relationships with those people and through developing a deeper relationship for the, with those people, you then begin to empathize with them. And because you empathize with them, you then follow up that empathy with advocacy. Um, that is the power of third spaces to me, where it's.
This is not just a space for friend making. I think those places exist, um, and [00:09:00] continue to exist. It's pretty easy to make friends, in my opinion. It's hard to make true deep connections where you take the next step of, you are now someone I am fighting for in, in whatever way That means advocating for. Um, and that's sort of, I think in many ways why third spaces are important because we're at a time where things are very difficult for a lot of people, and finding ways of stepping out of your comfort zone and advocating for the people who.
are in danger or feel in danger or are just going through something is very difficult right now. Um, and to me developing spaces and the people here in [00:10:00] Indianapolis who are creating these spaces of community, of connection, um, and of friendship and of advocacy, that is the, the true power of, of third spaces.
Um. And that's what I think about a lot, a lot, a lot. Um, and that's the importance of it. the next thing I wanna talk about is this sort of pervasive feeling of loneliness. As I've talked to people throughout my journey over the past eight-ish months, I started recording in March.
I have noticed personally that everybody holds onto this desire. Uh, I say, do you feel like you want more friends or do you want stronger connection to the people? And overwhelmingly the answer is yes. But I think that brings up the answer of, if everybody feels this way, if everybody wants more friends, [00:11:00] if everybody wants deeper connections, why aren't they doing it?
I think the lack of third places maybe is the, the, the simple answer. But I also think it's maybe a little more personal to ourselves where it's I, myself and I. Royal I, everybody feel a sense of shame, feel a sense of loneliness, and I think that's singular to me. That's individual to me where
I go. If I'm lonely, I'm the only person that feels this way and I should feel shameful for that, versus I feel lonely and everybody feels this way, why don't we connect over that? And I think that's sort of the switch that I have flipped mentally for myself over the past amount of time where it's like if you just say hello to somebody, say good morning or good afternoon as I [00:12:00] have been here, a lot of times people will be reciprocal if you say, Hey, I like what you're doing.
I think it's really interesting or powerful or meaningful. Let's get coffee. A lot of people will return that reciproc reciprocally. And say, of course. Thank you so much for recognizing me. Let's get coffee. Um, and that means a lot. so avoiding this internal feeling of, of loneliness and isolation that we have by taking the next step.
It's a hard step to take. It is a hard step to take, but the simple act of reaching out to somebody. In just the simplest interactions of, of hello saying Good morning or something deeper. Like for example, a couple weeks ago when I joined a, a group of strangers in a coffee shop, um, and connecting with them in that moment, [00:13:00] this is something that I think everybody desires, but it takes instigators such as myself and instigators.
To a lot of times force people out of that comfort zone or discomfort zone. Um, but people are always happy to talk about themselves. so the next question I have is, why do I even do this? Uh, in the beginning I was unemployed. So the main, the very first reason I did it was. Um, selfish of, I have moved to a new city.
I have no, um, connections here, so how do I get connections and how do I get a job? So the answer was, reach out to random people. Do you wanna be on my podcast? It was a legitimizing force because for some [00:14:00] reason we have to legitimize ourselves in the eyes of others for them to talk to us. I think.
Although I don't think that's true any longer, um, and sort of get your way in the door. Say, Hey, I like what you're doing. Would you like to be on my podcast and share about yourself? And I'll share a little bit about myself and maybe that'll lead to a job. Although I don't think it was necessarily the most effective way to find a job.
And the job I have did not come of this, although I think it helped. But we have evolved. We being me. Uh, to me now, Third Space Indy acts as a
a, what's the word of, what's that thing that you, there used to be books and you could like look in the book, uh, alphabetically and go, oh, what's the, it's like, not a phone book, but like a thing like that. A the not a thesaurus either. I'm really struggling. [00:15:00] Um, it acts as a directory of slowly. I mean, we're only 20 episodes in, but a directory of people here in Indianapolis and digs a little deeper than, um, a newspaper article could, um, or a short two minute news segment, it peels back the curtain.
and I also want to show that it is possible to have good conversation. It is possible to. Bring positive media because so much of our current media is deeply negative.
The news of the day is deeply negative. The politics of our time is deeply negative and harmful. Um, but I wanna show that there is good in people still there is good happening here in Indianapolis. There are community events happening in Indianapolis. There is community [00:16:00] conversation happening all over and daily here in Indianapolis.
We hear about shootings, but I go, or I'm trying to go to places where, or areas where those things are happening to show that that is not the reality. That is not to say that shootings don't happen and you shouldn't be mindful. But it is not pervasive, um, and is not the, the true story of, of what this city is or any city.
Um, and we can be better. And I think when you create a personal connection to a place, you become invested in it. And this is also an extension of why third spaces are important. You get invested in a place and when you get invested in a place, you care about it and you take care of it, and you want to make it better as I want to make Indianapolis [00:17:00] better.
Um, and that is sort of what I think about with every episode. Who am I talking to? Why am I talking to them? And I've mentioned this before, but I don't think anyone is unqualified to come on, but I think there should be intention with who should be allowed to share their thoughts, at least to an extent.
Um, now, am I specifically important? I don't think so. I think anybody could do what I do. Um, and I think more people should do what I do and shout out to the other people locally who are doing what I do. Like Patrick Armstrong on the Conversation Piece Podcast like Stretch with Follow D$ podcast like Chris who runs, um, oh no, my Brain.
Uh, the Okayest Cook podcast, which is a food podcast. You should check that one out. Um, all local conversations, at least, mostly local conversations. [00:18:00] About what's going on in the city about community focused efforts, and almost all of those people do events locally to cultivate community. Um, these people who are doing local content and helping cultivate community in their own way, in their own space, um, are all putting out positive media.
And I am not important and they are not important, but together we can create better things. And you can do it too. Um, and I think you should because we need more positivity. Because when someone says to me, Michael, like, I don't like what's going on, I'm thinking about leaving. I don't think that's good because they're a good person and we need more good people to stay wherever they are and show that they are good people and show that the best of us.
Are loud and proud because a lot of times the worst of us are the [00:19:00] loudest. Uh, and that is not, uh, the best. Um, the other thing I wanna highlight also is that I am speaking from a, a place of privilege. I'm a large white dude. Um, I have a remote job that pays pretty well. That's part-time. When I was first laid off, I had most of the equipment necessary to perform this job.
Um, getting another job was a point of privilege, um, to have it pay well enough to continually get new equipment. Um, and I think from a access standpoint, being who I am makes it easier to access certain people certain conversations than it would be for other people. So I try to think of that as well. and that's not to say.
Yeah, anybody can't do what I do, but it certainly is to an extent, easier for me because of the position I have or had. Um, [00:20:00] so it was just something to think on. Um, cool. The other reason I wanted to do this podcast, it's 'cause today is my birthday. And, um, years and years ago I had this idea about, um, talking to people who are about to turn 30 or have just turned 30.
And the idea of this podcast was that it would be called Nearly Dead because when you turn 30, your life is over. Um, and obviously that's not true. Obviously life goes on and my life has shifted in a crazy way in the past 12 to 18 months. I moved cities, I started this podcast. I've met so many incredible people, um, and you can reinvent yourself over a very short amount of time.
And so the idea of this podcast Nearly Dead was that you would reflect on your life, how you, who you were over the past 10 years, over the past 30 years, and think [00:21:00] on how your life has changed and all the good things that have happened and all the good things that can happen over the next 30 years. Um, and for me in this moment, I can, I can see it.
Um, it's crazy to think about. Where I was mentally, uh, actually a year ago today, uh, just to talk about that. Um, you know, I was not in a good place mentally last year. I was in Northwest Arkansas alone. My wife had moved to Indianapolis without me. Um, so there was an a year, month time span where I was waiting to move as well, uh, because we were waiting to get out of our lease or something.
I don't remember. Um, but the state of the world was bad. Um, the Israel Palestine conflict was weighing heavily on me. The news of the day was terrible. I didn't like my job. I was stuck in the doom scroll format, all of these things. And,[00:22:00]
sorry, there's a lot of cars going by. Uh, and what happened was a one day I watched two videos. It sounds so goofy that two YouTube videos almost did a better job than the therapist I had for a year, although my therapist was great. Um, these two videos, one was titled, you Will Be Okay. You Have No Choice.
And that video was about how when you are in the middle of a crisis period or when you were in the middle of a bad time, capital t time, not like singular like bad day. Um, that. No matter what, that bad time will come to an end, if not within your time lifespan then somebody's, um, and you should go watch this video 'cause he will, he will phrase it much better than I will.
But, um, just take comfort in [00:23:00] knowing that whatever you are going through, it will come to an end. Um, in one way or another, there will be an upturn. Uh, of positive events, vibes, whatever word you want to use. Um, and the other video is called the Fourth Turning, which was based on a book by, I think by the same name.
Um, talking about how human history happens in 80 year chunks and how we are in what is known as the fourth turning right now, which is the worst part of that 80 year chunks. If you look at 80 years ago. From 2025, we have World War II, and 80 years before that was the Civil War. So framing things in terms of human lifespans, 80 ish year cycles.
We are at a point where very soon a very positive thing will come to pass. A very positive era will exist. Um, so both of these [00:24:00] videos like. Immediately I felt amazing. I don't know how to explain it. And ever since watching those, I have been riding high. And then I moved to Indianapolis and I felt amazing.
I had a job and then I was laid off in January. And actually getting laid off was a good thing because it forced me to go out into public and talk to people and build connections and start this podcast. And all of that leads into turning 30. So one year ago being mentally broken. And today. Being a new person in many ways, who's more connected to the people around him.
Uh, that's pretty cool.
Somebody asked me, um, what my favorite outcome of the podcast was. Uh, shout out to Alexa from Alley Cat Ceramics. You should go check out Allie Cat Ceramics. I'll say it again. Um, and all the other [00:25:00] ceramic studios around town. Pottery is an amazing way to connect with friends that you have now and friends that you don't even know you wanted.
Um, 'cause it forces you to put your phone down and fail a lot and laugh. And get a little messy. Um, so go, go do a, a, a class at Alley Cat Ceramics or Mass Ave Mudroom or Yellow Door Ceramics. Um, or there's other ones. Those are the ones that I know off the top of my head. Um, she asked me what my favorite outcome was, and I don't think in terms of favorites, but for her, I will.
My favorite outcome from this podcast is that I now know that no matter what your interest is. No matter who you want to be or who you want to hang out with, there is a resource or an event or a singular person here in Indianapolis who matches to your desires. [00:26:00] If you want to make movies or if you want to play sports, or if you want to join the Silent Book Club, or if you want to get involved as a volunteer, if you wanna start a business or get access to a business.
Um, if that interests you for whatever reason, um, you can do that here in Indianapolis. And I think that level of access and that level of possibility here is actually fairly unique. Um, it's not something I've felt in other cities personally, and that is the outcome that I've liked is the knowledge that I have and the ability to point people in the right directions to achieve those things.
Um, the next thing I wanna talk about is plans for the future. Um, what I really would like to do now is transition into creating events that foster space in much the same way the people I mentioned earlier do, [00:27:00] um. And I want to support the local bus system. So what I'm thinking about doing is a monthly series maybe with Casey Springer Spoiler, um, where we pick a neighborhood, we pick a start place, and we pick a neighborhood destination, and we meet at that place, and then we ride the bus to the destination and exist in space for a couple of hours.
Wandering, talking, laughing, whatever. Get dinner, teach people how to ride the bus, create community, walk, exercise, and exist together. That's sort of what we're thinking about right now. I also would really love, and this goes back to kind of money a little bit, would love to have different featured music artists as the intro music.
Um, that's a little, that's, that's a lot of work. Uh, and I would like to pay [00:28:00] people. I don't have the money to, to pay those people. Um, but if you know local artists that wanna be featured as the intro music or if you are one, uh, or if you wanna gimme money so I can, uh, work on getting them, um, that would be something to think on.
Uh, those are my main things for the future, and I will of course, keep recording this podcast. Sure, because it's fun. It's fun to talk to people. Um, the next thing I wanna mention is that socializing is like a muscle. so I think we get caught up in this like, oh, I don't know how to talk to people. It's very similar.
Like, I don't know how to draw. I don't know how to sing. I don't know how to ride a bike, just like any like. I, not to stroke my own ego, but people are like, Michael, you're so good at talking to people. It's because I do it a lot. It's, it's, [00:29:00] um, it's a skill. You can't just go out and expect to have great interactions.
Always. You have to practice speaking to people. You have to practice reading the room, both literally and like in on an individual basis. And you have to practice small and big interactions. Um, being able to connect with someone on a one-to-one level is very different from connecting with a group of people being able to speak to more than one person's.
Um, so my challenge to you here is if you take away nothing else from this podcast, that if you ever hear something from me on this podcast. From a guest on this podcast that you like or you see an artist on the street or on Instagram or just walking by, [00:30:00] or you're walking past someone in the street and you like their outfit, just reach out to them.
Any of those people that I just mentioned or more reach out to them. Say, I like what you're doing. I like what you said. I like your art. I like. you. Hey, you wanna go on a date, you can do that too. Um, not to me. Don't ask me on a date. Uh, my wife would not be happy. but socializing is like a muscle, and right now very few people are flexing that muscle.
And that's why the social fabric, the social strength is weak because we all need practice. Um, and that's what I'm trying to sort of break through. Um,
the other thing I would like to say is that you can exist despite your fears. Um, you know, it's hard right now. It's really hard. Um, [00:31:00] and doing this podcast is like the best part of my week. Not the editing part, but the conversation part. Um, sitting down with somebody. Peeling back the layers of who they are.
For example, Lou Harry, I went into that conversation with the assumption that he was just a board game guy. He is so much more than that. He's a playwright and a, a romanticist in my opinion, and he's interested in journalism, obviously, as the the lead of the SPJ, and he likes to reminisce on. Older times and just such a, a deeply fascinating guy that I really enjoyed sitting down with.
And everybody is like Lou Harry, not literally, but there is so much more to people than you see on the surface. Everybody has desires and specific interests. [00:32:00] Um, there was a woman who bought me coffee one morning who worked at the bank. And I asked her what she was into and she sort of danced around like not having interests other than work at the bank, yee-haw.
Um, but then we finally got to talk about her son who was autistic and plays baseball and is interested in water towers that no longer exist. And that I think, speaks to a lot about, like that person who thought her only interest was working at a bank. Yeah, is now something more. Her interest is her son, but her son also has specific interests and desires and, and personality and I think my favorite part is peeling back those layers and, and learning about people.
The other two things I'd like to talk about are [00:33:00] there is no race. You have nothing, as Tony says, nothing to achieve and nothing to attain. One day I'll remember, but the only person you're ever combating is your own mental. Obviously there's things that you have to do to survive, um, but if you ever feel that you are behind or that you are failing.
Yourself. Um, you're not, you are doing exactly what you need to be at any given moment, and it's easy to look at other people and what they're doing and see that they're better, um, or worse. But there's no competition. Competition is made up. There's no getting ahead of other people. [00:34:00] Um, we can all sort of.
Collaborate, create space together and work towards a, a better life for everybody. It doesn't always have to be, I'm making more money than you. I have a better job than you. I use a bigger house. He takes better photos. Those types of things, we can sort of work to create a more universally good space for each other.
And the other thing that I wanna say is. There's a word that's been lingering on my mind for months and months, which is the word serendipity in this word. Um, I don't have the exact textbook definition, but it is that those moments that seem incredible and out of the blue that are full of meaning, but it happened for apparently no reason.
And I've had this happen [00:35:00] countless times since starting. Whether it's, uh, walking into a professor's house and having him hand a book that he wrote about Arab people in Indianapolis, and both of my great grandparents are in that book to randomly stumbling into people on the bus that I've been looking to meet for a really long time.
Or, you know, just falling. Into scenarios that seem like impossible, that they would have ever occurred. But I think, I don't believe in serendipity. It's just that it's happened to me over and over again because I have put myself in in the place to experience that because I've gone outside, touched grass and continually worked to put myself in scenarios where good things happen or.
If it's not good things, things that appear out of the ordinary happen, and I think that's pretty cool. [00:36:00] So do things that put yourself in odd scenarios and be surprised when, when moments of serendipity happen. Um, 25. So I said it. Okay. This might be a little shorter than, than I thought, but I'm happy I rerecorded this 'cause I feel a lot better about this. the last thing I want to say, um, and this is I dance around politics a lot, but. It does not matter what my politics are or what your politics are. What is true is that everybody in life wants the same things. We all want safety. We all want our lives to be healthy, lucrative, um, happy, comfortable, all of these things.
And. I think we need to come to this understanding that that is what people want. [00:37:00] Everybody and people are inherently good. Always.
People are inherently good, and you need to move through life assuming that people are inherently good and assuming that they have good intentions. Now, there are people who are bad and those people who are bad are very easily identified. But the vast majority of people are good. And
I think if we have moments of conversation and we cultivate third spaces for each other and cultivate mutual understanding and are continually working to empathize with those around us, we will find. That the world will be better. It's just that simple. So that's Third Space Indy. That's what I'm thinking about.[00:38:00]
Um, let me know if you enjoyed this episode of Third Space Indy Um, my name is Michael Zarick You can find Third Space Indy on Instagram at Third Space Indy. Or I write a blog too at thirdspaceIndy.com. Um, the intro music is done by local artist Jennasen. Uh, thank you Jennasen for sharing your music with me and the people.
And thank you Mark Latta for sponsoring Third Space Indy through your business City Rising. please let me know if you enjoyed this episode. I may do more solo content, um, but this one will probably be special. happy birthday to me. 30th birthday. Yay. I'm old. Um, yeah, see you soon. Share the next one with you.
Have a great day and uh, I'll see you in the next one. Bye.
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