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Episode Summary

Host Michael Zarick speaks with Dominic Senibaldi, owner of Cat Head Press and part-owner of Love Handle on Mass Ave. Dominic about moving to Indianapolis for grad school at Herron, deciding to stay after finding community, and opening Cat Head Press in 2016 as a hand screen-print shop. They discuss Dominic’s interest in physical media through VHS collecting, the role of printmaking and zines in political resistance, and his view of the “manosphere”.
Third Space Indy is supported by City Rising (https://cityrising.org/)

00:00 Manosphere Cold Open
00:45 Third Place Intro
01:49 Dominic Background
04:27 Cat Head Press Explained
05:17 Alien Cat Branding
06:34 Love Handle Origins
08:41 VHS Wall Obsession
14:26 Why Indy Feels Like Home
17:59 Print Community Support
21:21 Workshops Drinking Inks
23:13 Zines and Resistance
26:01 Defining the Manosphere
27:48 Masculinity Grift Economy
28:51 Consumption-Based Manhood
30:21 Male Gaze Paradox
31:44 What Being A Man Means
33:46 Third Space Defined
36:34 Indy Third Space Examples
39:26 Lost Music Scene Spaces
43:55 Favorite Green Spaces
47:21 Top State Parks Picks
51:05 Wrap Up And Where To Find

Episode Transcript

Dominic Senibaldi

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Michael Zarick: What is your initial reaction to like the existence of quote unquote the manosphere?

Dominic Senibaldi: I mean, it's no different than snake oil salesman. They're trying to sell people with insecurities like this is, whether it's a product or a lifestyle, but they're making money somehow, whether it's their social media engagement, or they're actually selling like a physical thing, whether it's a stupid ass supplement that gives you really expensive urine or it's

Michael Zarick': Hello, my name is Michael Zarick and this is Third Space Indy. In 1989, a man named Ray Oldenberg wrote a book called The Great Good Place, and in this book he coined the term the third place. This describes a [00:01:00] place outside of your work and outside of your home that you can go be with others, build community, and form relationships with others.

It's different every time. Um, so I've made it my goal to find people all over Indianapolis who are doing their very best to build these types of spaces in a variety of ways. So that brings me to my guest today, Dominic Senibaldi, the owner of Cat Head Press, and as I just learned, Love Handle down on Mass Ave, which is a breakfast restaurant.

Would you just breakfast brunch. Breakfast brunch?

Dominic Senibaldi: Yeah.

Michael Zarick': Okay. Uh, I still haven't been, but I really want to, um, how you doing?

Dominic Senibaldi: Good.

Michael Zarick': Yeah. Amazing.

Dominic Senibaldi: Hanging in there.

Michael Zarick': Yeah. Thanks for inviting me in. I rode my bike here. I am coming down off the sweatiness. Luckily there is, uh, like AC in here, so I'm like,

Dominic Senibaldi: I always crank it.

So,

Michael Zarick': uh, so for those who don't know, can you share a little bit about yourself, uh, however you view yourself? Sure. Uh, Cat Head Press and maybe love him.

Dominic Senibaldi: [00:02:00] Yeah. Um, well, one, I suppose I'm a. Hoosier transplant. So I wasn't born and raised here. I moved here from Washington State, which is where I grew up.

Michael Zarick': What town?

Dominic Senibaldi: Uh, Spokane, Washington. Okay. So Eastern side. Uh, but I spent time in Seattle, Bellingham. Aberdeen. That's where I met My wife was in Aberdeen. We were gonna college there. Um, then moved to Chicago in oh nine. Um, and that was all as I was doing, uh, art school. So I moved to Chicago to finish up my undergrad.

And then I moved down here for graduate school. So I graduated from Heron with my master's in 2013.

Michael Zarick': Mm-hmm.

Dominic Senibaldi: Um, and I didn't really think I was gonna stay in Indiana.

Michael Zarick': I You'd be, well, maybe you wouldn't be surprised how many people say that, but like, I think that is a common sentiment.

Dominic Senibaldi: Yeah. And it was weird 'cause Yeah, I mean, I was basically.

It was kind of a stopover while I was getting my [00:03:00] master's and I'm like, I'm gonna apply to teaching jobs in Washington and back on the, the West coast. Mm-hmm. But that just didn't really pan out very well. And so my wife and I, we just like, you know, I was so focused on school, you know, and I had, you know, my homies and my crew like in school.

Mm-hmm. But once I was outta school, started, you know, getting involved in the community and just like hanging out. And started to be like, I don't know, this is a pretty cool place. And it's like, what else is there? You know? It's like, home is where your hat is, I guess, sort of thing. So, so anyway, and then once I decided to open Cat Head, which was like 2015 ish, uh, when I sort of got the idea, uh, to do Cat Head Press, um, that's when I knew.

We're gonna stay here.

Michael Zarick': Mm-hmm.

Dominic Senibaldi: So for the immediate future anyway, did you study graphic design in school? Uh, I studied printmaking.

Michael Zarick': Okay.

Dominic Senibaldi: In school. Oh yeah. Hey. Yeah. So I got my masters in printmaking. I mean, I've done [00:04:00] like painting and sculpture and all sorts of stuff, but Yeah, predominantly printmaking.

So,

Michael Zarick': yeah.

Dominic Senibaldi: But, but yeah, just started Cat Head Press in. I officially opened in 2016, so it'll be 10 years.

Michael Zarick': That's pretty

Dominic Senibaldi: cool of Cat Head Press this year. I don't know if I'm gonna do anything. I did like a one year and a two year anniversary back in the day, and then after that I was like, I don't know, it's just usually like, oh, it's the same old shit.

Yeah, exactly. So, uh, but that's kind of wild. So anyway, that's kinda like the short and sweet of the whole Cat Head thing, but, so we didn't say it explicitly, but Cat Head Press is a print. Would you call it a studio?

Michael Zarick': Print

Dominic Senibaldi: studio? Yeah. I'd say it's like a print shop. So I do a lot of commercial printing.

That's sort of the bread and butter, that's how I pay the rent and the bills. Mm-hmm. Um, so I do a lot of t-shirts. Everything's hand screen printed, um, t-shirts, tote bags. I do some runs of, like, works on paper. Um, usually that's more of like a commission type thing. Um. [00:05:00] So that's one aspect of it. And then I have, um, sort of a public use studio.

So I have a monthly membership that artists can pay to use screenprinting equipment for all their endeavors or whatever. So, And then I have the Washington Street shop that has a couple studios in it. Got

Michael Zarick': so Got it. And then the logo of Cat Head Press is a crazy looking alien cat.

Dominic Senibaldi: Yeah.

Michael Zarick': Is that modeled off a creature?

No, it was. No. So

Dominic Senibaldi: I mean, outside of a cat.

Michael Zarick': Well, I didn't know if you had like a

Dominic Senibaldi: family cat or

Michael Zarick': like some, no. Some alien that came to talk to you in your sleep or something. No.

Dominic Senibaldi: So we have a really old logo, so all the logo. All the logo work was done by an artist named Rob Young. Um, I, so he was, I recognize

Michael Zarick': that name, I

Dominic Senibaldi: think.

Yeah. He was a student of mine at Heron a long time ago, which is funny 'cause we're like the same age. Um, but he got a teaching gig. Uh, so he doesn't live in India anymore, but he still does a lot of like design work for me and stuff. But, um, so he did our [00:06:00] very first logo and it was a cat with like a third eye kind of, and I don't know, we were just like, we're all sort of like.

I dunno, weird sci-fi nerds and stuff. So, and then when I did kind of a little rebrand, I was like, Hey Rob, can you do this sort of rebrand? I was like, still wanna stick with cats, obviously. But I was like, just give me a bunch of different options of weird looking cats, you know? So there's some with like wrestling masks, some with a third eye, some with like Devil Horns.

So

Michael Zarick': yeah,

Dominic Senibaldi: it's just kind of,

Michael Zarick': So then you also are part or part owner. Mm-hmm. Part

Dominic Senibaldi: owner. Yeah. Yeah.

Michael Zarick': Uh, how did you come into wanting. A breakfast brunch spot.

Dominic Senibaldi: Um, I mean, I've always been into food. I love to eat food. I love to make food. So, and I've worked in restaurants before in my, my younger days. Um, but one of the owners, Chris, um, so love handles, also owned by Chris and Ally Benedict.

Um, so it's a, a three A triumvirate ownership now. [00:07:00] Um, but I've known Chris for ages. He is like my best, one of my best friends, you know. I'm gonna go have beers with him after this, you know? Yeah. And like grill out and stuff. Yeah. Well it's raining now, so I don't know if we're gonna grill out, but, um, but anyway, so we've been, we've been hanging for a long time.

Um, and about, I dunno, two years ago him and I were like thinking about maybe opening like a separate space, sort of like a bar, like night spot restaurant. Um, and that didn't really pan out just 'cause of external factors. It's really hard to find. A building that's affordable. It's hard to, you know, especially when you're trying to like, grow something from the ground up without finding some investment bro to, you know, lend you 17,000 million dollars.

Um, so that kind of fizzled out and then we're like, well, let's just do what we wanted to do with this, this project. But. At Love Handle. And so Chris was like, well, why don't we just come [00:08:00] on as part owner and then we'll just like take love handle to the sort of the next level of what it can be. And so that's just how that happened.

And Chris and I were doing, I was helping out, you know, in the kitchen and I was helping him out with popup events. You know, uh, we do Woodruff every year we bring a smoker out and stuff like that. So I was always helping 'em with stuff like that just 'cause we're homies, but

Michael Zarick': mm-hmm.

Dominic Senibaldi: Um, it just sort of evolved into.

Why don't you be a part owner? I was like, okay,

Michael Zarick': yeah,

Dominic Senibaldi: why not? I'll just add another thing. I'll

Michael Zarick': scroll into your, I'll scroll into your Instagram and there's like a couple like grill out slash food posts and I was like, I kind of fuck with this guy. Yeah. I didn't draw the connection of Love Handle. I don't know how that didn't happen, but uh, I like what you got going on over there.

Dominic Senibaldi: Nice. I

Michael Zarick': easy transition since I'm surrounded by. What is going on in here? Can you

Dominic Senibaldi: Yeah, for this is one of my, what they're also not seeing is a whole nother wall over there and tons of bins of, of VHS's. Um, it kind of started [00:09:00] like, I mean, I've always been a, I mean, I love film, I love movies, I love music.

Um, you know, I was a big, obviously physical media person. You know, I'm an elder millennial, so I had VHS's, you know, up until my twenties. You know, you

Michael Zarick': have attachment to ownership, just not, uh, by way of owning a home.

Dominic Senibaldi: Yeah, exactly. Uh, but um, so yeah, so I started collecting, this is probably three years of collecting, so it's a relatively new, and obviously it sucks 'cause I'm like, I'll do some eBay buys every once in a while of stuff.

That's hard to find.

Michael Zarick': Yeah.

Dominic Senibaldi: It's always like, I owned this,

Michael Zarick': well

Dominic Senibaldi: at one point

Michael Zarick': I'm seeing these, like the Rugrats go to Paris.

Dominic Senibaldi: Yeah.

Michael Zarick': Like, I definitely watched that movie like 10 hun 10,000 times as a child. Right?

Dominic Senibaldi: Yeah. Everybody that comes into the space is like, oh, I remember that movie. I remember that movie.

Michael Zarick': And I see the old dude, this one popped out me the old Dune movie.

Dominic Senibaldi: Oh yeah, yeah, totally. That's a great one with Sting. [00:10:00] Um, but anyway, yeah, so it just, it sort of just started to snowball, you know. Find a lot of them at thrift stores and stuff, and it just became, you know, I, I, I flit through, uh, hyper fixations quite regularly and it just became the, the hyper fixation for a few years.

And so I was just always, and I'll still, if I go to a Goodwill, I'll, you know, I have like duplicates and triplicates of tons of movies and stuff. It's, if ever I see Jurassic Park at a thrift store, I'm like, well, I need to get the copy of that. So I have like maybe. 17 copies of Jurassic Park on VHS, but

Michael Zarick': I see like three versions of Lord the Rings right there.

Dominic Senibaldi: Yeah. So I mean, yeah, I have, you know, I have a VHS player at home, so I mean, I, I watch these at home and, you know, we play VHSs at Love Handle too. And so, I don't know, I just like the physical media thing. It's,

Michael Zarick': is there like a. Like how did you get drawn to this? Was it just like a sense of nostalgia or?

Dominic Senibaldi: Probably a little bit, yeah. Just, you [00:11:00] know, I think one, yeah, it was definitely a sense of nostalgia. Um, and I think two, just like actually wanting to own physical media again. You know, there's movies, I'll talk to people like, ah, I've been wanting to watch this one movie, but I can't like, find it streaming anywhere.

I'm like, well, I don't know. See if you can find it on DVD at, at Goodwill? Yeah. For like $3 and then you have it forever. You're not sort of Tedd to whether or not Netflix wants to have something on and then they decide to take it off, you know? So I think it was just part of that, you know, I sort of just liked the physical media aspect of it.

Michael Zarick': Did you ever go to Blockbuster as a child?

Dominic Senibaldi: Oh yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we was, uh, my wife and I were gonna blockbuster up until we were gonna, we got a Blockbuster membership when we first moved to Chicago, and that was 2009.

Michael Zarick': When did Block, I guess, blockbuster closed finally around like. 2012 or 13?

Dominic Senibaldi: I think so. Somewhere in there. But then we were just, um, I mean, we didn't have, we, [00:12:00] we were dirt, dirt poor in Chicago. Um, so we didn't even have internet. We, um, had a crappy laptop with it. Didn't even have a modem in it. We had an external one and it was all broken. So I had this like wire that I taped to a window.

Yeah. And we stole wifi from the church next door, but like, so we didn't have streaming or anything, so we would just go to the, uh, library and check out DVDs and tapes and stuff. Yeah. So

Michael Zarick': you could still do that, listeners. Yeah,

Dominic Senibaldi: exactly.

Michael Zarick': Uh, there's like, I, I just have like this. Memory of, so we had like the first Xbox I, I should say my older brother had the first Xbox.

So that means I had it at the same time. Uh, and I just remember going to like Blockbuster once a week 'cause my mom would go. Play volleyball and I'd stay home or whatever. Uh, and just getting like a, the worst video games possible. Oh yeah. It was like, not, not, not [00:13:00] worst as in like, they were bad for me to play, but like, worst as in like, why did I ever choose this?

Dominic Senibaldi: Right? No, I was like, when In my hometown, in Spokane, we had a big video store called Hastings, um, and a lot of it was, you know, tape rentals, video game rentals and stuff. And then center was. CDs for sale. And then I had a side that was all books for sale, but um, old releases were 49 cents to rent on VHS, but they had a whole video game section.

Um, and this is when I was a kid, so I was renting like Sega games and super NES games and stuff, but I'd do that all the time. I was like, I'm gonna rent this seven up spot game for Sega. And then I get at home and I was like, oh, this really sucks.

Michael Zarick': I have a sing memory. And it came across my feed recently actually, of.

A Captain Crunch video game.

Dominic Senibaldi: Oh,

Michael Zarick': wow. That came in the, in the Captain Crunch box.

Dominic Senibaldi: Oh, that's crazy.

Michael Zarick': Like they put CDs in the, in the series. That's wild. Like it was a completely [00:14:00] different world. And this Captain Crunch game is like, it was kind of like having a, uh, tamagotchi,

Dominic Senibaldi: right?

Michael Zarick': Like you raise this like weird looking gremlin thing by feeding it cap crunch, captain Crunch, and like leveled up its abilities.

Uh, agility and, and a stamina.

Dominic Senibaldi: And marketing, I suppose,

Michael Zarick': like Captain Country will make you big and strong, but also look like a crazy little gremlin, man.

Dominic Senibaldi: That's funny.

Michael Zarick': Um, so why did you choose to stay here? Um, other than, well you said, you mentioned that, you know, you've sort of found your group of friends or whatever.

Mm-hmm. But is there something. That goes beyond that, that's like compelling or something about Indianapolis?

Dominic Senibaldi: Um, I don't, I mean, really it was like the, the sense of community that, that we found here. I don't, I don't know what else the, the draw was. 'cause there's a, there's obviously a lot of not good things about Indianapolis, but also like, I think maybe part of it too is just growing [00:15:00] older and maturing.

Um, 'cause while there's, you know, not good things about Indianapolis, there's also not good things about. Seattle, Washington or Portland, Oregon. Like, it's, it's America. Mm-hmm. It's, everything's crazy. So it does, like, you know, so I don't know. We just got to the point where, um, we just kind of fell in love with our friends and the, the chosen family we made here, and I don't know, that was, that was just kind of part of it.

Michael Zarick': Yeah. What's your, what's your neighborhood?

Dominic Senibaldi: Uh, Brookside. I live two blocks that way. Oh, okay. Yoooo. And then when worked out, when we bought our house. Um, my parents were like, well, you're never coming back to Washington, right? 'cause we just bought a house. And I said, well, why don't you guys move out here? So in 2017, I moved my parents here and they just live over in Little Flower.

Oh, okay. So I have my folks here, so that's cool.

Michael Zarick': Do you have a kid? Are you

Dominic Senibaldi: No, no. We're, we're, um, intentionally child free. [00:16:00]

Michael Zarick': I, I, I only ask because I think, um, like when you talk about. Having your family nearby, raising a child, bearing a child becomes like a billion times easier. Mm-hmm. Because you just have like free childcare, like

Dominic Senibaldi: Right.

Michael Zarick': Part of the reason my wife and I, if this were ever to come to fruition, um, which we're not looking to do at this time, but uh, if we were to ever have a child, like having her parents 20 minutes down the street and my mom two, two hours away in Louisville is like a completely. Uh, excellent dynamic to have.

Yeah. Where it's like you have a whole support system.

Dominic Senibaldi: Yeah. I mean, it takes a village with everything. I mean, it's, it's crazy too because then, um, when my sister, uh, was having, uh, her child, my, my niece, she ended up moving here.

Michael Zarick': No.

Dominic Senibaldi: And so now my sister lives here too, with my niece. Yeah. So

Michael Zarick': she's like, I gotta get in on this.

Dominic Senibaldi: Yeah. So I was like, I dunno, my whole family like relocated to Indiana. So it's kind of, but again, never in my wildest, I'd never, when I was applying to [00:17:00] grad schools, I barely. Knew any. I, I was like, where's Indianapolis? I, I just, like, I had no concept. Mm-hmm. Even though, you know, I was just up in Chicago, it's like three hours away.

But, um,

Michael Zarick': Indianapolis is like one of the few. Uh, cities I think just like make sense. You're like, oh, what's the capital of Indiana? Yeah,

Dominic Senibaldi: it's Indianapolis State. Right. That's the, because that's not the case where everyone thinks like, well, isn't Seattle the capital of Washington? Yeah. Because it's the biggest, and I'm, no, it's Olympia, Washington.

It's a little dinky tiny town. It's like, it's big as Bloomington.

Michael Zarick': Uh, well, the same thing happens in like, uh, Kentucky. Like, like what's the capital of Kentucky? It, it's Jeffersonville, but the only reason it's that, is that right? Did I just make that up?

Dominic Senibaldi: I, I don't

Michael Zarick': know. No. Jeffersonville.

Dominic Senibaldi: Jeffersonville an it's Frankfurt.

Oh

Michael Zarick': no. Anyone who listens to this from Kentucky, Missouri. Hey,

Dominic Senibaldi: public school education.

Michael Zarick': It's the Kentucky education. Really? It's Frankfurt. And Frankfurt is right in the middle of Louisville and Lexington, which is why they put it there.

Dominic Senibaldi: Oh, okay. Gotcha. The

Michael Zarick': biggest,

Dominic Senibaldi: that makes sense.

Michael Zarick': Um, [00:18:00] so you've mentioned finding community here.

Mm-hmm. Um, I'm interested in talking about Cat Head Press a little more like what community within. Either printing or, I mean, you even talked about, um, zines and like little small print newspapers and stuff. Like what community have you found within the print realm?

Dominic Senibaldi: Um, I mean, at first, like when we first started opened, obviously it was a lot of artists wanting to utilize printmaking for their own.

Artwork. So that was a big part of it. Um, so a lot of print makers would come to, you know, make their artwork and stuff like that. So, but that was also a lot of the same sort of community I had when I was in school. 'cause it was just, it just was already built in and there's a huge like, art scene here. Um, but now I think beyond that, um, it's a lot 'cause there's so many cool people doing.

[00:19:00] Cool creative stuff in Indianapolis right now. I think that's sort of the community that I feel the most part of now is other artists or other creatives doing their own thing, and we're sort of all doing it together as one and we all help each other. Like Alexa was way back in the day, was a student of mine, you know, but now she runs a, you know, ceramics studio and we collaborate a lot and we help each other, whether it's, hey, do you know.

A good accountant, you know, like, so it's stuff like that, so helping it like support each other, um, just with the idea of running a small business or an art space or something like that. Um, and then obviously too, I'm in the food scene and this was even before I was officially part of Love Handle, but for some reason I, I just connected with a lot of people in the food industry as well.

And then, so that sort of morphed into a lot of the. The commercial work I do as far as screen printing is for other small [00:20:00] businesses, whether they're restaurants or other art spaces or creatives running small shops or something like that. So, I dunno if that answers your question. I feel like I'm rambling, but, um, but that's sort of the, I guess the community I feel the most part of now is just, is just other creatives doing creative things and if I can help them in any way, whether it's.

Providing a space for an event or providing t-shirts for their business or printing something else for them, or just,

Michael Zarick': yeah, you're almost like a, uh, like a support guy. You're like, yeah, I'm here to lift you up. Or, uh, create, or, what's the word

Dominic Senibaldi: realize

Michael Zarick': support's the best word I got.

Dominic Senibaldi: Yeah. Yeah. And I think that comes too from my teaching experience as well.

Um. Because I obviously taught during grad school, but right after grad school I stayed at Herron as a adjunct professor. And then in 2016 or [00:21:00] 2017, I um, became the printmaking shop tech at Herron, which I was also teaching as well. So I was doing a lot of teaching, and so I think that's part of. How I operate now as far as just trying to help people do stuff.

Yeah. I don't know, whatever it is. Do you do classes here? Mm-hmm. Yeah. We run, um, some pretty basic workshops. I kind of, we sort of call them drinking inks, um, because they're not really, I don't really do full instructional workshops. They're usually, I'm a great artist, uh, local artist. Uh, Megan Kirin, uh, teaches them for me and, um.

They're sort of low. Im, I call like low impact because it's not, you're not learning the whole process. You are learning about the process. But, uh, people come in, they design a t-shirt, they make a, you know, a film on a piece of tracing paper. Megan shoots it on a screen, and then they get to print their own t-shirts and it's [00:22:00] like BYOB, whether that's, you know, sparkling water, whether it's beer, wine, and like people bring.

Pizzas and rotisserie chickens and cut up cantaloupe and stuff. So it's kind of like more of a hangout.

Michael Zarick': Yeah.

Dominic Senibaldi: Uh, but we do that for t-shirts and tote bags. Um, and then in the past I've done sort of more robust, like multi-day, like full screen printing workshops where they learn how to print works on paper and stuff.

But I haven't done those for a while, just 'cause the. It's since I'm so small, it just became a little bit more arduous. You know, one, wanting to pay an instructor appropriately, but then also, and that translates into having to charge a certain amount for the workshop. And that sort of became a barrier for a lot of people.

Um, and so I just wanted to do something that was a little bit more low stakes so that I could keep like the price point low. Um, and [00:23:00] then it wasn't so much work for like the instructor that's teaching them, so

Michael Zarick': yeah.

Dominic Senibaldi: That's how that kind of evolved.

Michael Zarick': Yeah. Interesting. Cool. I'll to check that out.

Dominic Senibaldi: Yeah, yeah.

I'm running a few now, I think for through April. So,

Michael Zarick': um, when you talk about

the local like art community and I, I'm sort of hyper fixating on zines right now. Mm-hmm. 'cause I think it's an interesting topic, especially when I see like. Fuck fascists and abolish ICE and an ACAB tattoo on your sticker. When you talk about like local printmaking and the sort of history of, um, more radical print stuff.

Dominic Senibaldi: Mm-hmm.

Michael Zarick': Um, what do you see in terms of like that here in Indianapolis? Um, like the, the desire for more, uh, what's the word? Either anarchist or like radical thinking in terms of print.

Dominic Senibaldi: Yeah, I mean, I think it's, I mean, printmaking has [00:24:00] always been, uh, has its roots in sort of political resistance. You know? I mean, if you just go back to Daumier making lithographs about, you know, French Revolution or you know, Goya and the Spanish Civil War, you know, they were all making prints about.

These atrocities, you know, being committed and things like that. So I think printmaking has its roots in that sort of stuff. Um, but I think in, I think one, there's a desire for people to have tactile, handmades, physical objects that they can hold. Um, and I think zines or just like small prints and stuff, it's, it's a lo-fi way to get interesting information out there.

Make something creative. Um. But I'm, I'm seeing a lot of that in Indianapolis. I mean, if you think about, um, was it, is it Monkey Wrench that's gonna be happening soon? Mm-hmm. And then, uh, Zine Fest was a thing [00:25:00] for a long time. Um, I don't know if you're familiar with Sly Badges. mm-hmm. Yeah. But they do a lot of zine work and stuff like that.

So I think there's a, there's a huge interest in it. I mean, I'm not, I'm not a huge, I don't have the full. Sort of picture or history of what really a zine means, or I also don't you I think it's

Michael Zarick': just short for magazine. Yeah. And

Dominic Senibaldi: then a

Michael Zarick': small version of

it

Dominic Senibaldi: that's, I like, and it's usually lo-fi and, you know, distributable and things like that.

Mm-hmm. So, but yeah, I mean, I'm seeing a, a, a large interest in that. And I think, again, it stems, I think it stems from the desire for tactile, physical media as well as. Like political resistance. 'cause it always seems like it's always about,

Michael Zarick': yeah, I did see that

Dominic Senibaldi: sort of

stuff.

Michael Zarick': So a zine on Instagram, uh, a day or two ago titled, I can't hold a job, but I can hold your hand.

Dominic Senibaldi: Nice.

Michael Zarick': I was like, I did like that.

Dominic Senibaldi: That's [00:26:00] a

good

Michael Zarick': sentiment. So I mentioned before we started recording that I was interested in talking to you about, um, something called the Manosphere.

Dominic Senibaldi: Mm-hmm.

Michael Zarick': And I'm interested to sort of delve into this concept. Um, but before we do that, I need to tell the people listening what that is.

'cause I, I target this sort of towards my mom. Uh, so the manosphere is this online, um, ecosystem of videos of podcasts. Short form content on TikTok. All of this stuff that is driven by what would historically be known as toxic masculinity, but is also sort of tied into crypto, tied into gambling, tied, into this sort of bro culture of, um, doing a lot of exercise, um, grind culture, millionaire grind set.

Mm-hmm. Of like, uh. You know, becoming a multimillionaire. And then also, uh, based in [00:27:00] misogyny of like, uh, you know, how do you get women? How do you show women that you're worthy of their attention? That type of thing. Um, and when I reached out on Instagram, uh, with the, with the mindset of talking about this concept.

Uh, someone mentioned me to you as someone who would be, who would have good thoughts on this, um, and we were, we touched on it briefly before we started recording, but, um,

Michael Zarick: what is your initial reaction to like the existence of quote unquote the manosphere?

Dominic Senibaldi: Oh, man. Yeah, I mean. There's like so much to unpack there.

I I did say a lot of words. So like, it's like, I mean, yeah. Um, I mean, my initial thought is, you know, I guess if we just look at it from the idea of, of these of strictly social media personalities trying [00:28:00] to sell these ideas to insecure men. Like, I mean, it's no different than snake oil salesman. They're trying to sell people with insecurities like this is, whether it's a product or a lifestyle, but they're making money somehow, whether it's on, you know, social, like their social media engagement, or they're actually selling like a physical thing, whether it's a stupid ass supplement that gives you really expensive urine or it's like.

You know, some idea or a book or crypto or whatever. But yeah, it's just sort of like preying on these, these, these people's insecurities and it's just, it's a grift.

Michael Zarick': Mm-hmm.

Dominic Senibaldi: It's just, it's a hundred percent a grift.

Michael Zarick': Yeah.

Dominic Senibaldi: And it's nothing new. It just has new ways of getting to people. It's kind of wild.

Michael Zarick': What if you were to take it seriously, uh, or at least a serious framing where it's like this concept of like what it means to be a man.[00:29:00]

Dominic Senibaldi: Mm-hmm.

Michael Zarick': Um, of like, oh, being a man means you are, you go to the gym five days a week, you can bench, uh, one and a half times your body weight. You can, uh, you know, you have a six figure job and you drive a Bugatti. And you, you know, go through like a woman a week, whatever that means.

Dominic Senibaldi: Right? I mean, again, it's like, it's so weird because it's all so based in, in consumption.

Like the idea of what it is to be a man, whatever the hell that means. Like those things you mention, it's, it's all based on, on consumption and capitalism and

Michael Zarick': mm-hmm.

Dominic Senibaldi: And how. Do we get these people to buy stuff, whether it's a gym membership or the car or whatever, or work till you die for a company, you know, it's like, oh, you know, a real man works 80, I worked 80 hours this week.

I'm like, yeah, dude, it's not a flex. Like [00:30:00] that sucks. I'm sorry. Yeah. You know? So, I don't know. It's, it's, it's, it's bonkers. I don't, I don't know. I think it, I think again, it's, it's selling people's stuff. Based on their, their insecurities, which is like, it's, it's what society's taught us. You know, we're taught young men and boys.

Mm-hmm.

Michael Zarick': Definitely. I think it's more, yeah, it's definitely like a, a ramping up of what I would think historically would be like. It's very much like Rambo style, like sweaty man. Mm-hmm. Also, like there's a little undertone of like, I wanna be like an oiled up buff dude.

I wanna hang out with other. It's also, it's strange to

Dominic Senibaldi: me. Well, it's like it's, this is like, this is really sort of distilling, this is a very distilled example, but it's like, I mean, I think I saw a meme or something, or, or maybe a, a, someone in academia was like talking about this phenomenon, but it's like, let's just take Hugh Jackman.

You see him on [00:31:00] men's health with no shirt on, oily and shiny flexing. But you see him on like, um, a women's magazine in like a sweater vest. Yeah. And he's all like, like it's for, for the

Michael Zarick': male gaze.

Dominic Senibaldi: Yeah. So it's like that kind of shit is, is for the, it's for men. Mm-hmm. So it's like, I, I don't know what, that is such a strange phenomenon.

I don't, I don't know. And I don't even know what that has to do with anything, but it's like, it's like, it's very strange.

Michael Zarick': Um, so let me ask you this question very simply, uh, and then we can move on because I, I don't even know how to talk about it because I, I, this is like, I, I appreciate that you are taking it almost in a jokey way where it's like, I also don't know how to talk about it 'cause I don't think that way.

Mm-hmm. Um, very simply, like, what does it mean to be a man to you?

Dominic Senibaldi: Uh, that is an interesting question.

Michael Zarick': Yeah. It's probably hard to a answer.

Dominic Senibaldi: Yeah. It's hard to answer because like, I'm not, you know, I'm, I, I guess [00:32:00] I'm, I, I'm cis presenting, I'm married to a, a woman.

Michael Zarick': Mm-hmm.

Dominic Senibaldi: I've also had relationships with men.

I've also, you know, so like, I don't, I don't know like what, what that really means to like. Even ask myself, what is it to mean to be a man? 'cause is that a construct of society? I don't, I don't know. So, I mean, I guess I could tell you like what it means to me to be like a good person.

Michael Zarick': Mm.

And

Dominic Senibaldi: be an, an understanding and an ally and, and be respectful towards everyone.

I, I don't know, but it's, it's hard for me to, to like articulate what it means to be. A, a man. I don't, I think's think

Michael Zarick': that's a, I think that's a great answer. Okay. I think you're, I think you're like, uh, overthinking it. Like I agree. Yeah. Maybe I am overthinking it. I agree with you entirely where it's like, I also don't know how to answer it.

'cause I just think it's [00:33:00] very simply just like there is no answer.

Dominic Senibaldi: Yeah, exactly. Because the only, I think the only people that could have an answer are people that may prescribe to these constructed ideas of. Of masculinity or femininity or what it means to be those things in this world, in this country, like now.

Mm-hmm. So I, so, I don't know. It's, yeah, it's, it's all, it's all fluid and changing and I dunno, I just try to be a cool dude

Michael Zarick': and it being a man means I have to go die in Iran and I don't know if I want to be a, uh,

Dominic Senibaldi: no. Exactly. Yeah, I agree. Uh.

Michael Zarick': Well, thank you for answering. Thank you for indulging me.

Dominic Senibaldi: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, that's an, that's an interesting question.

Michael Zarick': Uh, all right. We're gonna move on to what I call the canned questions. Third Space Indy is sponsored by City Rising. City Rising is a social impact studio that leads and supports innovative projects that strength and celebrate and repair people [00:34:00] and places.

Shout to City Rising. Always. They have sponsored a question,

Dominic Senibaldi: which is. What is a Third Space to you? A Third Space to me. I mean, I guess, well, when you first started, I think you hit the nail on the head. For me, it's a space that is neither home nor work.

Michael Zarick': Mm-hmm.

Dominic Senibaldi: Um, I also hope that that Third Space is a space that is not necessarily monetized to exist there.

Michael Zarick': Mm-hmm.

Dominic Senibaldi: Like a library. Or a park that's hard to find these days. I mean, you get people with, um, archaic attitudes. I'm not gonna use the B word, which, you know, boomer. Yeah,

Michael Zarick': yeah, yeah.

Dominic Senibaldi: Because I think the idea of a boomer stretches beyond someone who is actually generationally a boomer. That's many people are in their thirties that have that same attitude.

But anyway. [00:35:00] I completely lost my train of thought. Oh. But you'll get somebody that says like, well, kids don't play outside anymore. I'm like, I don't know. Have you seen all the parking lots outside? Like, have you seen how, like you can't even sit on a bench that doesn't have like, spikes on it and stuff like that.

So, or how, there's no spaces that you can go into without spending money or having to pay money to be in that space.

Michael Zarick': Mm-hmm.

Dominic Senibaldi: Um, so I think for me, that that's hopefully what a Third Space can also be is a place that. Neither your home nor your work, but it's a space that's also not necessarily monetized, that you can just exist in and spend time in and be with other people and have a sense of community.

That's not to say like you can do that in a coffee shop and you, I hope you buy a cup of coffee from the person running, running the coffee shop. 'cause that's also supporting, that's money going into the community if it's, you know, a privately owned small business or something like that. Yeah. So I, so I guess.

Not trying to backpedal on my explanation, [00:36:00] but I think it's a slightly more complex than what I'm saying. Yeah. As far as the monetization of space, but I think that's a, that could be a barrier sometimes.

Michael Zarick': Yeah. Last week we, uh, used the phrasing. Uh, a Third Space is a place where I've, this has been refined and refined over time.

So a third place is a place where your relationships are not based on transaction.

Dominic Senibaldi: That's kind of what I'm saying, I guess.

Michael Zarick': Sorry, I was just, uh, it's just a very similar, um, answer in a

Dominic Senibaldi: Yeah,

Michael Zarick': no,

Dominic Senibaldi: that totally makes sense.

Michael Zarick': Um, are there places here in Indianapolis that have manifested in that way for you?

Dominic Senibaldi: Um, I mean, I think a lot.

Again, these are most of the, the people I know and spend time with, they also are small business owners, so. It is based in a business, but I feel like, you know, I go to Rabble almost every single morning. Um, I don't [00:37:00] really make coffee at home.

Michael Zarick': Mm-hmm.

Dominic Senibaldi: So I go get my latte from Mitchell or see, um, over at, uh, Rabble and, you know, I'll get my cup of coffee and that's done.

But then I, I hang out and, you know, like, just hang out and talk, you know, you know, and like I'll be out back and Mitchell will come out and we'll like, have another chat. So. I don't know. So that's, that's an example for me.

Michael Zarick': Yeah.

Dominic Senibaldi: Um, and there's a lot of other spaces like that I think in, in Indy. I mean, if I wanted to, I could text Alexa and be like, Hey, can I come by the studio and chat for a few?

You know? And same with people can hit me up and come talk, you know, if they want to in, in my space. So it's, it's different for everybody, I think, but,

Michael Zarick': mm-hmm.

Dominic Senibaldi: But yeah, I think there's a lot of places like that here.

Michael Zarick': I think that when you, um, I try to get it like, uh, obviously this is your place of work and I, uh, I try to be pretty strict on it, but it becomes like when you are, [00:38:00] when you are like Alexa and when you are like yourself, where you're probably here between 60 and 80 hours every week.

Dominic Senibaldi: Mm-hmm.

Michael Zarick': Um, here or Love Handle, like. It, it blurs the lines a little bit. Um, but when you pull in other people to your space where this is not their place of work, it sort of morphs in a way and a hundred percent when you talk about spaces that don't exist anymore, um, or are few and far between. Like you kind of have to, uh, find it where you can.

Dominic Senibaldi: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, and that's kind of goes back to what we were talking about, how so many, so many spaces are now monetized in that way where it is hard to find those spaces, so we just have to make them where we can.

Michael Zarick': Yeah.

Dominic Senibaldi: You know, I mean, you used to be able to go into the IMA like grounds for free and mm-hmm.

I haven't been there in ages, but. I feel like you can't get into the grounds in the same way that you [00:39:00] used to be able to.

Michael Zarick': When you say grounds, you mean like the mansion area?

Dominic Senibaldi: Yeah, or like the, like the park area. Like the a hundred acres

Michael Zarick': you can get in the a hundred acres for free. Okay. For sure. Um, and I think first Fridays they open up the outdoor area for free.

Gotcha. I can't say that for certain.

Dominic Senibaldi: Remember there was something with one of the greenways that you couldn't like access it through the greenway and I don't, I don't know, but yeah, I don't know.

Michael Zarick': Yeah,

Dominic Senibaldi: it's wild.

Michael Zarick': So follow up to that question.

Dominic Senibaldi: Mm-hmm.

Michael Zarick': Um, what is a Third Space or place that, um, has existed for you previously that no longer does

Dominic Senibaldi: at like any point in history?

Michael Zarick': Yeah. Physically, metaphorically, you know, whatever that means to you. I think.

Wow.

Dominic Senibaldi: That's a, that's a cool question. So, without getting too [00:40:00] convoluted of a story, but when I was growing up, I played a lot of music. I was in a lot of bands, um, from like age 16 to like 19. And my hometown had a very cool music scene. And this is, you know, late nineties, early two thousands. Um. We played so many spaces in that town.

There were so many little tiny coffee shops or like back rooms of bookstores, um, back rooms of piercings studios that we would play, these like shows. And, and they were always, I mean, I was playing like. WK style. Like crazy. Like rock

Michael Zarick': music? Yeah, music. My

Dominic Senibaldi: brother was in a

Michael Zarick': math rock band.

Dominic Senibaldi: Okay, cool. Cool.

That's awesome. That's funny 'cause our, the main band I was in, uh, for a while our name was Rocktagon. But, uh, but anyway, so, and yeah, we were just [00:41:00] like, you know, I'd, I'd be in three bands and I'd play in all three bands at one show, but we were playing shows. Two to three times a week. And there was just so many spaces that that was happening.

And I know there's a lot of spaces in Indy too, um, that shows are happening, but this is just my own personal feelings 'cause that's like from my own time.

Michael Zarick': Yeah.

Dominic Senibaldi: And I just, that's something I'm always kind of like nostalgic for like miss a little bit was just all these like cool little funky spaces. I mean, we played a Food Not Bombs show when I was.

18 or something. And it was literally in this weird back room of a bookstore where the floors were almost like falling in and it was maybe like as big as this area we're sitting in. There was like 50 kids in there, like moshing instead. It was like bonkers. But um, I don't know. I just feel like I don't see that a lot.

Michael Zarick': Yeah.

Dominic Senibaldi: Anymore.

Michael Zarick': Yeah. Yeah.

Dominic Senibaldi: So

Michael Zarick': we've had this discussion before. I wonder if. You don't see it because you're like out of the age range [00:42:00] Probably. Yeah. Actually, or that's probably a big part of it. Just like doesn't exist. I, it's hard to know.

Dominic Senibaldi: I'm like, I'm like, I gotta be in the bed by eight. So I'm like, I can't go to shows anymore.

Michael Zarick': Do you, when you were doing that performing

Dominic Senibaldi: mm-hmm.

Michael Zarick': Um, was it always with the same people mm-hmm. Performing? Mm-hmm. Did you get like, repeat, uh, viewers?

Dominic Senibaldi: Oh yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah. I mean, we, we had some of our. Are like number one fans that were always at the shows and stuff. And then a lot of the bands I played in, it'd be like, I'd play drums in three different bands and the guitar player for one band that I was in would be the bass player for another band that I was.

And so it was all this kind of just sharing people.

Michael Zarick': Yeah.

Dominic Senibaldi: You know, and all these different groups and stuff. It's kind of wild.

Michael Zarick': Did you ever watch the show Dazed and Confused?

Dominic Senibaldi: Oh yeah. I haven't seen it in ages, but

Michael Zarick': there's like that sort of, um. Early to mid nineties nostalgia in that show mm-hmm. That I'm like picturing for you.

Dominic Senibaldi: Gotcha.

Michael Zarick': Is like a little,

Dominic Senibaldi: it was a [00:43:00] beautiful time. We were blissfully unaware of everything going on in the world. Even post 911. Well, I mean like, but like, it was, it was an, it was a beautiful time to grow up in, I mean I, for me anyways. Mm-hmm. You know, in my kind of.

Michael Zarick': There's like a

Dominic Senibaldi: suburbia land.

Michael Zarick': If you even think about like how there, there is definitely a blissful ignorance that comes like pre 2007, internet 2008.

Dominic Senibaldi: Yeah.

Michael Zarick': Where it's like you don't know anything. And the world seems so hopeful and like

Dominic Senibaldi: yeah. They're like, just vote. That's how you'll cha you'll, you'll be running the, don't worry. You, your generation will be running the country soon.

Michael Zarick': We're all gonna retire.

Dominic Senibaldi: So, yeah. I don't know. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's wild to think about that.

Michael Zarick': Okay. So every episode I ask a question from the previous guest. [00:44:00] Sneak peek for you.

Dominic Senibaldi: Okay.

Michael Zarick': Uh, the previous guest with is Keith, Keith Hutchison, who's, um, one of the organizers for Bike Party.

Dominic Senibaldi: Oh, cool.

Michael Zarick': Um, or technically not an organizer, just a consultant at this point, but semantics. Uh, Keith asks, what is your favorite green space in Indianapolis?

Or the, he said Marion County. That's not the Monon.

Dominic Senibaldi: Okay. Uh, probably my favorite green space. I'm trying to, I, I have it in my head. I'm just trying to think if, if anything's superseding it, um, or coming to the top, but probably Fort Ben.

Michael Zarick': Mm.

Dominic Senibaldi: Because I try to go hiking at, at Fort Ben at least like once a week

Michael Zarick': Really?

Dominic Senibaldi: If I can, if it's not like raining all week. Um, I mean, it's to the point where, I mean, I like know the trails 'cause there's like the Schoen and trail. There's the, what is it? The, um. [00:45:00] I always wanna say Lewis and Clark Trail, but it's not the Lewis and Clark Trail, but it's like lc, I can't remember the name of it.

Um, and there's the Fall Creek Trail, the camp trail.

Michael Zarick': Um, is there something about, um, it's Fort Benjamin Harrison, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Just making sure. Uh, I've never actually stepped foot in the bounds of that park.

Dominic Senibaldi: Oh, it's awesome. Um,

Michael Zarick': is there something about it that particularly compels you?

Dominic Senibaldi: Um, part of it is when during COVID, it was the first.

Like, 'cause it's technically a state, it's state park and it was the first state park that my wife and I went hiking at during COVID. It was like, oh, I mean, I've always been, I, I like to camp and stuff, so I've always been like outdoorsy. But um, it was the first state park in Indy that we went hiking at and it kind of had us fall in love with hiking.

Um, so it has that like connection for me. Um, 'cause now my wife and I, we've visited every single state park and. Indiana, except [00:46:00] I think we have two left.

Michael Zarick': That's an impressive stat

Dominic Senibaldi: that we haven't been to. The

Michael Zarick': only other person I know who visits that many state parks is my wife.

Dominic Senibaldi: Yeah. We, we, we love going to state parks.

Um, Chelsea always gets really excited when we get our new park year pass because it's always a different picture. Oh. She's like, so when I bought it, I just bought it at, at Fort Benyu like last week. Uh, and she was like, text me a picture, I wanna see which park. And I don't even remember what park's on it.

Yeah. But she's like, text me a picture of the car. But, um, so anyway, I have that sort of like connection to it in that way, but also it's, it's just a beautiful state park that's literally like 20 minutes from my house. You can also get to it the back way from the Fall Creek Trail, and so you could like ride your bike into it or, you know, walk into it if you wanted to.

Michael Zarick': Yeah.

Dominic Senibaldi: Um, so I think it's just a, like a. Yeah. Kind of an unknown gem. I mean, I know people that have lived here their whole lives and never been there. I'm like, it's right there. Yeah.

Michael Zarick': I think the purple [00:47:00] line on IndyGo stops right in front of it. So.

Dominic Senibaldi: I think so. 'cause it's, uh, like post road, if you take Pendleton and go north on post, post goes right into it.

But then the, the cross street, the east west street is 50. It's either 54th or 56. Yeah. One of those.

Michael Zarick': All right. Outside of Fort Benjamin Harrison, since there's all but two you visited? Mm-hmm. What is the top tier? State park and my wife will fact check you.

Dominic Senibaldi: Okay. For me it depends. There's a lot of factors, but two that stand out for me is one profits town.

Michael Zarick': Been there. I think

Dominic Senibaldi: it is really cool if you, 'cause it's all prairie, so if you really love like birdwatching mm-hmm. It's a great state park for birdwatching.

Michael Zarick': Do you camp also?

Dominic Senibaldi: Mm-hmm.

Michael Zarick': Okay.

Yeah.

Dominic Senibaldi: And then I'm trying to think of my next top one that we've gone to. It's a, it's a tossup between shades and [00:48:00] McCormick's Creek.

Michael Zarick': I think I've been to McCormick Creek.

Dominic Senibaldi: McCormick's Creek's. The one that has like the wolf cave.

Michael Zarick': Oh, that sounds cool.

Dominic Senibaldi: And it, and one of the trails, like actually you're like down in the like sort of waterway, like tripping over like rocks and stuff. Yeah. Um. And then, yeah, shades is really cool 'cause it has the really crazy trails where you're like basically going up a ladder and then there's a whole trail where you go, um, basically hike a like a river bed.

That's really cool.

Michael Zarick': Yeah. There's a

Dominic Senibaldi: park,

Michael Zarick': sorry.

Dominic Senibaldi: There's a park

Michael Zarick': in, um, Versailles, Indiana.

Dominic Senibaldi: Yeah. Um,

Michael Zarick': that my family or my wife's family likes to visit a

Dominic Senibaldi: lot. We just visited that one like last year I think, but I can't remember the name of it.

Michael Zarick': I also can't remember

Dominic Senibaldi: because, well that'll be funny 'cause Chelsea no will be like, Hey, which state park should we go to?

And I was like, what's that one that had like the trail with the thing? And [00:49:00] she's like, I don't remember which, there's a small pond in my geese. Yeah. It's like we can have all these like, um. I can like see all these parts, but like we forget the names all the time. Shamima also are really cool.

Michael Zarick': Shamima, do you like Clift Falls?

Dominic Senibaldi: Yeah, Cliffy Falls is awesome. That's in

Michael Zarick': southern Indiana,

Dominic Senibaldi: right? Mm-hmm.

Michael Zarick': Okay.

Dominic Senibaldi: Right on. Um, uh, right on the border and there's that huge coal and power plant there. And then, I can't remember the name of the, there's a small town that is like really cool because it, it still. Like supported by a functioning like coal plant.

That's not cool in of itself. Like I'm not, I'm not pro coal, but it's like a little tiny mountain town that's like retained. Its sort of like vibrancy. It's unfortunate that it's because of the coal plant. Hmm. I can't remember the name of the town. Uh, but it's right on the border. I can't remember if it's actually in Indiana or Kentucky.

Michael Zarick': Mm-hmm.

Dominic Senibaldi: A small town. [00:50:00] Um. But, uh, maybe it's Madison.

Michael Zarick': Oh, yep.

Dominic Senibaldi: And there's like this one burger joint in there that's been there since like 1928 or something. Mm-hmm. That's like really good, like little tiny burgers. But, so anyway, if we go hiking at Cty, we always go get burgers there.

Michael Zarick': See, it's funny to me that you, or like, I don't know of third spaces right now, but you're like, go outside and you like, go hang out outside with your

Dominic Senibaldi: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Michael Zarick': Um. Well, thank you for sharing. Yeah, that was amazing. My wife will love to hear that you are a State Park fan. Cool. Shout out. State park. Shout out to not DPW. What's the, what's the DNR DNR!

Dominic Senibaldi: Was like, I, I knew what

Michael Zarick': you were talking about. The DNR guys are always really helpful, especially when your neighbors are being annoying and you'd be like, hello, DNR, please help me.

Dominic Senibaldi: Yeah. I always, whenever I'm camping, I was. Tip my hat when they do their little drive around. You're like,

Michael Zarick': I have my pass. Please don't hurt me.

Dominic Senibaldi: Yeah. I hide [00:51:00] my Coors.

Michael Zarick': Very common. Uh, all right. I don't have any, is there anything else you wanted to talk about today?

Dominic Senibaldi: I don't think so. I think we covered

Michael Zarick': anything, my mind on the heart,

Dominic Senibaldi: um, a lot.

But that's a whole nother podcast.

Michael Zarick': Yeah, definitely. Well, uh, one last question then. What question would you like to ask the next. Third Space Indy guest.

Dominic Senibaldi: Hmm.

Michael Zarick': It can be about whatever you want.

Dominic Senibaldi: Whatever you want. Um, I'd say would be the a cool. Does that have to be like,

Michael Zarick': no, I know what you're thinking.

Dominic Senibaldi: It can be anything.

Mm-hmm. Okay. I'd say what would they think is the largest barrier for people to run or open a small business?

Michael Zarick': I think my, in

Dominic Senibaldi: Indianapolis,

Michael Zarick': I think my next guest might be a politician. We'll see. Oh, cool. That's kind [00:52:00] of funny. Uh, all right. Amazing. Awesome. Well thank you for joining me, Dominic. Yeah, of course.

Thanks for

Dominic Senibaldi: having me.

Michael Zarick': If you're interested in letting people know where to find you, which I'm sure you are, where can they find you?

Dominic Senibaldi: Um, physically I'm at 3125 East 10th and Love Handle is 877 Mass Ave. Digitally, uh, Cat Head Press Indy on Instagram. Is the main place Love Handle Indy on Instagram.

Michael Zarick': Amazing.

Dominic Senibaldi: Yeah.

Michael Zarick': Cool. Thank you for watching or listening to this episode of Third Space Indy. You can find me at Third Space Indy on Instagram or by going to Third Space Indy dot com. Thank you to cityrising.org for sponsoring the podcast. Also, I got a new sponsor who just wanted to be mentioned in the credits.

I'm also sponsored by Proformus, which is a local urban planning studio. He hasn't given me my line yet to see, but I'm putting it in here anyways, uh, thanks Jeffrey Tompkins for sponsoring the podcast also, and thank you as always to the local [00:53:00] artist Jennasen, for allowing me to use your song Scared Rabbit as the intro song.

That's it. Goodbye.

Dominic Senibaldi: Awesome.