Ep. 53 - Hannah Hadley - Big Gay Market
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Hannah Hadley is a musician, textile artist, art teacher, and the organizer behind Indy Gay Market. Michael sits down with Hannah at the Indianapolis Art Center to talk about building queer community through markets and art, the origin story of the Big Gay Market, and what it means to create a big gay space in Indianapolis.
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0:33 — Intro
1:20 — Meet Hannah Hadley
5:18 — Big Gay Market vs. Indy Gay Market
7:06 — Logistical stress (or lack thereof)
10:36 — Origin of the Big Gay Market
12:13 — Coming out
15:47 — Big Gay Market as a third space
17:33 — Visibility, inclusivity
23:34 — The biggest Big Gay Market ever
30:40 — Shoutouts to the Indy Gay Market team
33:51 — Sonia
37:11 — House shows
39:39 — Canned questions
41:18 — Teaching fiber arts and the joy of making your own clothes
50:50 — Question from previous guest
Episode Transcript
Hannah Hadley
Hannah Hadley: [00:00:00] I don't know. I, I think, I, I keep worrying that, like, eventually people are gonna get bored of us and, like, stop showing up.
Um, but we're always keeping it fresh, and there's so much talent in this city. Uh, it blows me away- Mm-hmm ... as
Michael Zarick: Hello. My name's Michael Zarick and this is Third Space Indy. In 1989, a man named Ray Oldenburg wrote a book called The Great Good Place, and in this book he coined the term the third place. This describes a place that is outside of your home and outside of your work that you can go be with others and build community.
So I've made it my goal to find people all over Indianapolis who are doing their very best to create these types of [00:01:00] spaces. Today I'm joined by a musician, a music teacher, an artist, and an organizer of a very large local event, uh, which we will be talking about extensively I'm sure. Um, and I'm really excited to introduce my guest today, Hannah Hadley.
Hi. How you doing?
Hannah Hadley: Good.
Michael Zarick: Yeah? Well,
Hannah Hadley: you fake it till you make it.
Michael Zarick: Oh my God. Um, so for anybody who may not know who you are, what you're about, and what you do, let them know.
Hannah Hadley: Yeah. So Hannah Rachel Hadley. I organize Indy Gay Market. Mm-hmm. Um, and my day job is, includes a lot of teaching of arts and, uh, and also a little bit of music.
So yeah. Whenever I meet somebody new and I have to explain how I make [00:02:00] money- ... it's the most convoluted, kind of annoying-
Michael Zarick: Are people confused about how music teachers deserve to live?
Hannah Hadley: Well, I do, I do music teaching, like, almost full time.
Michael Zarick: Yeah.
Hannah Hadley: And then I do other stuff, like, part-time too, so it's like, it's, it's a patchwork quilt of things, you know?
Beautiful analogy.
Michael Zarick: So I, I wanna dive right into something we mentioned just before starting, which was that there are, there's, uh, competing forces in Indianapolis. There are two Hannah Hadleys. Yes. And you have a story about this.
Hannah Hadley: So yeah, recently, last couple years, I, it started like, I started getting emails-
uh, like from random people, and I'd be like, "I have no idea what they're talking about," and like, "I don't know why I'm getting this message." And, um, the folks at Downtown Indy [00:03:00] told me, they were like, "Hey, did you know there's, like, another Hannah Hadley?" And I was like, "No." They're like, "Yeah, she works at Big Car."
Oh. "And she's their- So it's relevant. Yeah. So she's their grant writer- Oh my God ... um, and, like, does lots of other stuff at Big Car. So we're both, like, in this very small Indianapolis, like, organizing, like, art stuff. Yeah. You know? So people will confuse us a lot. Or like send something to me that's
Michael Zarick: actually for her or- Do you have like
Hannah Hadley: a similar email address?
I don't think so. I, I mean, like I'm, I'm hannah@Indygaymarket.com. But yeah, d- I don't know. Um, but we met like a couple weeks ago, and it was like so funny- Yeah ... to just be like, "Hey."
Michael Zarick: Are you both blonde?
Hannah Hadley: No, actually- Is
Michael Zarick: there any, like connecting force other than like being s- artistic or in the art scene?
Hannah Hadley: I don't really think so.
Okay. Yeah. Classic. Everyone- Uh, she seems really nice. Yeah. And, [00:04:00] um, people seem to like her, and So that's cool. They're, uh, the... loved Hannah Hadley, but she recently got married and ha- like added like the-
Michael Zarick: Hmm. Like a hyphen?
Hannah Hadley: Yeah, yeah. So but yeah, that hasn't really helped that much.
Michael Zarick: That's so funny. You're like, "Why am I..."
It's like, um, oh, I was looking at my messages to text you later for a reminder, and I looked back a couple messages where you messa- you sent me a text that was like, "Hey Michael, can't wait to see you tomorrow." And I was like, "Did I miss a meeting a couple weeks ago?" I was like, "No."
Hannah Hadley: Yeah. You have- S- so I mixed you up with another Michael- Yeah
and was like texting the wrong person, which I never do that, which, so it's really funny.
Michael Zarick: All Michaels are the same- All the- ... probably ... like
Hannah Hadley: all the mixes up. So yeah, no, I was meeting with, I was meeting with a Michael that afternoon that we like m- talked, and so yeah, it was very confusing. Um,
Michael Zarick: so the reason I asked you on, and I think [00:05:00] will be the, the brunt, is that the right word?
Of- The, the mass, the, the most of our conversation is about Indy Gay Market. And I asked you a question also before we started, which is that, is it Indy Big Gay Market, Big Gay Market, or is it just Big Gay Market? And you said there was a story about that, sort of.
Hannah Hadley: Yeah. So it, it's, it's always started as the Big Gay Market.
Michael Zarick: Mm-hmm.
Hannah Hadley: Um, you know, artists within Indianapolis came up with this concept of like, wouldn't it be cool if we all sort of joined together and had a market that was all gay, queer-identifying people? Um, and so it was, it was really this like collective effort to, to create this thing. Um, well, Big Gay Markets are sort of a national phenomenon too.
Michael Zarick: Hmm.
Hannah Hadley: So something I did when I started running the events was [00:06:00] sort of distinguish ourselves as like... Well, one, I didn't, I didn't wanna like run into copyright stuff. I don't, I don't understand that. I don't want, I didn't want that to be an issue if like our organization name was like Big Gay Market, and like that was already ch- like claimed by something.
But if you look up Big Gay Market, like you'll find them in different states- Yeah ... and different like, I mean, I'm sure they're organized a lot differently than here, but, um- I knew that if we only had that name, it would cause a lot of confusion. So then we created Indy Gay Market as sort of our organizational name.
Michael Zarick: Mm.
Hannah Hadley: And so that's who we are as an organization. We are Indy Gay Market, and then our events are still the Big Gay whatever it is. Got it. You know? Understand. So... And, and that's been fine. That- There has been some confusion, though. One time a Big Gay Market in, like, Wyoming or something got canceled.
Michael Zarick: Mm-hmm.
Hannah Hadley: Like-
Michael Zarick: And then like y-
Hannah Hadley: And people [00:07:00] were, like, messaging me, and I was like, "No, no, no. That's, like, not our event." Like
Michael Zarick: That's so funny.
Hannah Hadley: Yeah.
Michael Zarick: Um, speaking of cancellations, kind of, uh, this weekend has been... This upcoming weekend has been- Yeah ... a little stressful for you. Um, can we talk about that situation? I'm interested.
Sure. So your upcoming Big Gay Market, um, this is coming out two weeks from now, so we'll be actually just ahead of the next one.
Yeah.
Um, but the one this weekend is at Memorial Circle downtown. Mm-hmm. Um, and Spark, which is the downtown quarter circle temporary park-
Mm-hmm ... um,
was supposed to be set up and now it's not.
Hannah Hadley: Yes.
Michael Zarick: Um, and that has affected your market a little bit.
Hannah Hadley: Yeah.
Michael Zarick: Uh, can we talk about that?
Hannah Hadley: Sure, yeah. So if... It, there's been a ton of rain lately. Mm-hmm. So when this happened I was kind of, like, not surprised, but I guess there was some construction going on on Market Street. And because of all the rain it got delayed.
Because of [00:08:00] that being delayed they can't, like, load in all of the, it, tons of gear for, to set up Spark.
Michael Zarick: Mm-hmm.
Hannah Hadley: Um, so I think it's supposed to be able to open June 1st now, so it's like we just barely missed it. Um, but yeah, it got pushed back, and it's kind of just one of those situations where it's like there's not really anything we can do.
We can't, like, you know, speed things up that much, so. but honestly, you u- you used the word stress, and I'm, I'm actually not that stressed. Um- Uh, no, no offense to Spark in any way, but, uh, we're kind of the main event, so- Hell yeah ... um, you know, Spark is a perk. It's, it's a hu- it's a huge perk. It's a great park.
Michael Zarick: And they still close the circle for you- Uh, yeah ... question mark. Yeah We're still, we're
Hannah Hadley: still shutting down the circle. Like, um, it's, I don't see it affecting us so much, [00:09:00] so I, I think it's gonna be okay. It's definitely unsor- unfortunate 'cause we, this is our only event on Monument Circle this year. Mm-hmm.
Um, we used to do two and then, um, people were like, "It's really hot and we would love to do an indoor event in the summer." And I was like, "That makes sense. We should-" Yeah, I'll listen.
Michael Zarick: I'll listen. Yeah. yeah. Well, I'm glad- Yeah, it's all fine ... you're not stressed. Yeah. And I, it, it did make sense that, like, you're not, um, it doesn't affect you so much. Yeah. 'Cause, like, I've worked the Big Gay, I worked it last year at the Circle, and like-
Hannah Hadley: Yeah. It's a really- It's- ... like chill, cool event.
And
Michael Zarick: also Sparks' only a fourth of it, and you guys take up- It is ... the entirety, so.
Hannah Hadley: Yeah, yeah. And, um, there's been construction on the Circle like all of last year.
Michael Zarick: Mm-hmm.
Hannah Hadley: And so that's, that's gone. So for me, I'm just excited that you could actually get on the steps. Like like, great. You could actually be on the monument for the first time in, like, a, a year.
Yeah. And
Michael Zarick: the weather this weekend looks great. Yeah, it does. Yeah. Which has been like, "Oof." So super excited for that. [00:10:00] Uh, especially after, you know, the past- Yeah ... like six days or whatever. Yeah. so you mentioned sort of the loose origin of the Big Gay Market- Mm-hmm ... here. Um, what was it like, what were, like, the early conversations like?
How did you... 'Cause it's so ubiquitous now. Like you- Mm-hmm ... people just are like, "Oh, this one's coming up. I'm gonna show up. I'm gonna show out." Mm-hmm. And, like, it's a really cool thing, but like, what was it like in the very beginning when you're just getting started and you're trying to gather people? Or like, what were the conversations like in terms of the origin of it?
Hannah Hadley: Yeah. Well- Um, the event was started by Meghan Curran.
Michael Zarick: Hm. I know that name.
Hannah Hadley: Yeah. I know. Yeah, you probably do. Um, so she, she was the, like, s- person who spearheaded the first, uh, I don't wanna misquote, but I- I would say, like, four or five markets- Mm-hmm ... that we did, and they were kind of, like, [00:11:00] spontaneous, like, whenever we could kinda get, get it together and do things.
Um, so there was, like, the very first one, and, um, me and my ex-wife were involved. So, like, I wasn't a part of organizing it. I was just a vendor. And then my ex-wife, she's a DJ, so she DJed, and then I was vending, and it was very fun and cute, and we were right next to each other. Mm-hmm. It was really... So, uh- How many vendors-
at the Big Gay Market. Sorry.
Michael Zarick: How many vendors were at the, um, those first few?
Hannah Hadley: Uh-
Michael Zarick: Was it like... I'm assuming it wasn't- It seemed like- ... extremely large like it is now.
Hannah Hadley: It was not extremely large. I would say, like, 50, 50, 60. Yeah.
Michael Zarick: That's still pretty big. Still pretty big, yeah. .
Hannah Hadley: So, so yeah, I was just, I was just a vendor, and I was involved. And, um, yeah, they were kinda spontaneous and, um, loosely themed, um, events, and they were wonderful.
I mean- Yeah.
Michael Zarick: Are they still themed now?
Hannah Hadley: [00:12:00] Yes. Okay. Now they're very, like, thoroughly themed- ... themed, I would say. Uh, I have like a whole schedule, so um, that's part of my theory is that people like predictability, so - Mm-hmm ... um- I
Michael Zarick: agree with that.
Hannah Hadley: Yeah. So, so yeah, it w- it, um, I think part of my story and why I even am, am doing this was because of why...
Like, how the original event was just so special for me and my partner, um, to be in a, like, queer group of people. Um, we were both, like, newly out. Mm-hmm. Um, so- It, it really was one of the first places that we were in a public space kinda being like, you know-
Michael Zarick: Well, together ...
Hannah Hadley: yeah, we're both together and like out- In the,
Michael Zarick: like capital T together sort of thing?
Hannah Hadley: Yeah, yeah. So my, my ex-partner is trans, so [00:13:00] we were married and then she transitioned in our mar- like while we were married. Mm-hmm. And, um, so while I was like out to my friends and family as like a bisexual woman, um, I wasn't like super like public out, you know? Um, and that's like kind of complicated I'm sure for a lot of bisexual people, um, who are like maybe not outwardly in like a queer-looking relationship.
Um, so when my partner came out and was like, you know, "I'm, I'm a woman," um, we both came out. Mm-hmm. You know, in a, in a very public way. And so the Big Gay Market was sort of this first time where we're like, like this is, yeah, like this is who we are and this is our community. Um, and it was wonderful. It was really healing and it was really, um, cool to [00:14:00] start connecting more with that community.
And, um, yeah, I'm still doing it, so yeah.
Michael Zarick: Yeah, how did you get roped into, uh, running it, question mark?
Hannah Hadley: Yeah. Um, I, so, uh, Meghan roped-
Michael Zarick: Maybe you roped yourself in. Who's to say? I think I did. I,
Hannah Hadley: Meghan moved away for a little bit, um, to New York and, um, you know, it was public that she was going to move. And so I had just sent her a message basically being like, "Hey, do you have any plans on like continuing, you know, this, this event?
Like it's, it's really cool. I would love to make sure it still happens." And, um, basically she was like, "Here's the baton."
Michael Zarick: D- take it. Yeah. I don't want it anymore.
Hannah Hadley: Yeah. Um, so I was, I guess I was like lucky, question mark? Um, in that way. Like I had not really previously been an event organizer, and then I just kinda learned through trial by fire, like [00:15:00] just figured it out.
And she, I mean, she gave me a lot of tools- Yeah ... and, and definitely like didn't, like set me up for success for the first one that I did. And then, um, yeah, just kinda took it from there. And then my team kind of grew around me as I continued to keep, keep, keep going and keep making events. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Michael Zarick: Definitely. Uh, you used the word... Well, actually you said, "This is our community," or something similar to that. Mm-hmm. Uh, and also when I first reached out to you, you said, "I like to describe the Indy Gay Market as a third space in its own way."
Yeah.
Can you talk about, like, that in essence sort of what you, what it means as a community event or space for people to show up?
Hannah Hadley: Yeah. I mean, even though there's obviously, like, things being sold and, like, it's a, it's a marketplace, uh, it's free to come- Mm-hmm ... and just [00:16:00] be there.
Michael Zarick: Mm-hmm.
Hannah Hadley: And a lot of people just come to the gay market and hang out for a while, you know, and just be in that space. Um, and I truly believe in that power of, like, like, it's not totally about the transactions that are happening.
It's also about just being in a space that is for you.
Michael Zarick: Hmm.
Hannah Hadley: And, and also f- as an artist, you know, when I go to a market, a lot of time I'm not always buying things, but I'm talking to people and making connections. I get to see the artist, like, face-to-face and interact with them, and I think that's really, really special and something that we're really trying to preserve in what we're doing is, like, like, you and your art can, like, are this one thing and, like, letting people connect with you [00:17:00] and, and also the visibility of that too.
Um, so it's, it's really cool. I, I think as a, a person who sells things, I much prefer selling to people, like, in, in real life. Like- ... I don't really do, like, online sales that much. Yeah. Like, it's just so much better to be able to, like, meet the person that's gonna buy the thing that I made and talk to them about it and, like, you know, have that interaction.
Mm-hmm. And then they can take that thing that I spent hours and hours on Or And you're like, "
Michael Zarick: Oh, there goes my baby." Yeah. "Goodbye." Um, I, I think a lot about this concept of, like, exclusionary space because, um, early on in the podcast I talked about, uh, what it means for third spaces to be inclusionary- Mm-hmm
um, or, like, accepting of everyone. And, um, one of my early guests said to me that all spaces are exclusionary, it's just a matter of who they're [00:18:00] excluding. Hmm. Uh, and you talked about, you mentioned, like, being in this space that is, um, made for queer folks- Mm-hmm ... um, of all kinds, um, and, like, how important that is in terms of, like, comfort and visibility and all those types of things.
And- I don't really, I don't know that I have a question necessarily, but do you have any thoughts about what it means to be out and about and visible?
Hannah Hadley: Yeah, I do. I mean, well first, the Big Gay Market is also for allies. You're, you're welcome. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Uh- It's o- ... exclusionary- Yeah, yeah, yeah ... in terms of like,
Michael Zarick: uh, we don't- Obviously
accept bigots here. Yeah. Uh, uh, we,
Hannah Hadley: we will, we will exclude those types of people. But, uh, yeah, a- allies are, are totally welcome. But, um, I think, I think my experience is very much, um, like Because of my, like, love story with a trans person and seeing how, [00:19:00] um, that journey is, is really hard for a lot of folks, and they feel very alone.
Um, that to, to walk into a space and there are 20 trans women just existing- Mm-hmm ... and just being people- Yep ... in that space is healing. And, you know, to walk into a space and w- and see a bunch of non-binary people, a bunch of trans men, um, just being people, loving... Like, loving who they love, enjoying their life, making art, I think that's something that people really need.
Um, and even though Indy is, like, the smallest big city in the world - Really ... um- I think I know
Michael Zarick: everyone who lives here.
Hannah Hadley: Uh, our lives can be very, very isolating. And unless you, you know, seek out community, you can really not have a community. And, [00:20:00] um, I think that queer people really need to have spaces where we're filling that space.
Like, it's mostly us . You know? Like, I think, um, yeah, like even, even a Pride festival now is sort of, like... is a lot of, like, allies. Like, it's not like- Mm-hmm ... it's not, like, just queer people at Pride, right? Um, so the Big Gay Market is, like, a little bit different because, you know, I technically can't say that we require vendors to be a part of the community, but-
we, we can curate Yeah ... and we do, uh, basically prioritize that above all else. Like, uh, that, you know, vendors are a part of the community, and so that when you walk into that space and you look at all those vendors, you know that these are people who have lived queer experience, you know?
Michael Zarick: Mm-hmm. I also wanna make a weird [00:21:00] analogy.
Yeah. So I think a lot about, um, pedestrian infrastructure. Sorry. That, that... I'll get there. Love it. Um, and there's a... When I think about, like, people's personal hatred for cyclists, a lot of it has to do with, like, lack of experience existing in space with cyclists and cycling infrastructure. Mm-hmm. And, like, I see these videos of, like, dudes in Ford F-150s, like, shouting at a cyclist, being like, "Fuck you.
This, this lane is made for me," that type of thing. And I just think that, like, part of that hatred and, like, spite comes from lack of experience in existing in space with those things. And to complete the circle of, like, just having visibility on, like, "Hey, these people are out here. They exist. They are just like you and me"- Mm-hmm And like, just getting experience with existing in space with them is how you sort of [00:22:00] close the loop on, uh, the, the bigotry- Mm-hmm
and like how you pull in more allies in a way.
Hannah Hadley: Absolutely. And that's like part of why I'm super passionate about like when we have our events on Monument Circle, because we get all these random people- Mm ... who are just downtown.
Michael Zarick: Yeah.
Hannah Hadley: And they're like wandering into this like amazing event, and kind of like, my favorite question is when people are like, "What is this?"
Like... And, um, I think that exposure is really good. It's really good for the community as wh- as a whole. Um, we also get a lot of that at the, the AMP, which we do most of our indoor events at, um, because it's just like a place that people go eat.
Michael Zarick: Mm-hmm.
Hannah Hadley: There's tons of people who just like come to the AMP on the weekend that we have an event just to get some food, and then they're like, "Wait, what?"
Michael Zarick: Yeah. What is going on here?
Hannah Hadley: Yeah. And I think that, that like, it, yeah, like that [00:23:00] visibility and like people like actually experiencing like, oh, like there's just like these people who are like making cool like art and like crafts and things that I would wanna buy. Like Um, maybe some things they wouldn't wanna buy, but like Uh, but yeah, like I think that's part of what we do as a market, I- as, as a, like a bigger vision for what we could do for the community is just the, the greater visibility and giving people exposure.
So yeah.
Michael Zarick: Definitely. Uh, one last Big Gay Market plug. Mm-hmm. The week that this episode is coming out is your largest market ever-
Hannah Hadley: Yeah ...
Michael Zarick: uh, at White River State Park.
Hannah Hadley: Yes.
Michael Zarick: Can you tell me about that?
Hannah Hadley: Yeah. So, um, we've been like tangentially, like very like [00:24:00] s- sort of involved in... Indy Pride was our fiscal sponsor for many, many years, and we just recently got our own 501[c][3] status, so now they're not our fiscal sponsor.
But- And we never like officially like got a c- good collaboration going with them for Pride Festival, even though like we would do, we would basically like do our own pride, um, on our own. Mm-hmm. And then last year was our first attempt to actually collaborate with them. They did Celebration on the Circle.
Michael Zarick: Yeah.
Hannah Hadley: Um, and Word of Mouth and, um- That didn't go very well, uh, at least from the organizational team's perspective on both sides, so, but it was, it was a good attempt to start, like, getting that going. Um, so this year, um, there are some members of the Pride [00:25:00] board that were, like, very much, like, screaming, uh, "We have to get Indy Gay Market involved," and like, not just, like, a little, like, trial collab, like every year.
Yeah. Like, we need to have them at Pride every year. That seems like
Michael Zarick: an obvious, uh- Like, uh, yeah
Hannah Hadley: Like, this is... Like, we are literally, like, n- not, like, like, we're a pr- I wouldn't... I don't know, like, we're a pretty popular mar- market. Like, we- Like, every time- Hey,
Michael Zarick: hey, hey, listen Lift yourself up. Okay. I would say so.
Yeah,
Hannah Hadley: like every time we have an even- I don't know why, but people show up. Like, a lot of people. Um, so, like, so, so yeah, uh, that was kind of, like, in the works, and so they got in contact with us, and I was like, "Well, yeah." Like, we've just been waiting for you guys to ask us, so, um, so Pride is gonna look a lot different this year, but it's also gonna look kind of similar to, like, the old, historic, um...
And so they have, they are going back [00:26:00] to, uh, Military Park, which is, like, the place they typically had it. Yeah,
Michael Zarick: like the m- where the, the war monument is, that type thing. From there to the central library?
Hannah Hadley: Ye- um, no. No, no, not- Am I wrong? Yeah. Where's
Michael Zarick: Military Park?
Hannah Hadley: Um, it's, like, behind the Indiana State Museum, I would say.
Michael Zarick: Oh, okay. Wait, yeah, yeah, yeah By, but really, really close to the I- So it's like adjacent
Hannah Hadley: to- I- IUPUI campus Yeah. Yeah, there- So it's like adjacent ... we have a lot of, we have a lot of t- cool parks downtown Yeah Um-
Michael Zarick: Wonderful gree- okay, wait. I have to do a small tangent. Yeah. I'm sorry. I was out, I... My wife and I walked to the zoo, uh, like a week and a half ago.
Oh,
yeah.
We rode the Red Line to the Statehouse and walked to the zoo. White River State Park is some of the nicest, like, green space of all time, and that day was gorgeous. One of my biggest issues with Indianapolis is that we have this beautiful space and no one uses it. Yeah. It's like, oh, please. E- even, like, over here where we are at the, at the Indy Art Center, like look at this beautiful, like, [00:27:00] greenery sp- like why aren't there, why isn't there someone holding a picnic here?
Yeah. Um, all that said, uh, we're- we just start like a picnic culture here in Indianapolis. Yeah. Sorry. I just had to scream it out. No, it's- Um- ...
Hannah Hadley: it's such a good point, because, uh, yeah, like I- White River State Park is one of my favorite areas of Indianapolis with the bridge and- Yeah ... and all of that. Um, and then you've got the like cool little, like, stairs that go down to the river.
Um, it's just a gorgeous space. So, um, so there's still gonna be things going on, um, in the normal Pride space, but that's gonna be more like music festival vibes. There's a $10 ticket, or I guess it's, it's gonna be $15 after June 1st, so $15 ticket. Um-
Michael Zarick: Oh, so there's like a music aspect to- Yeah ... Wait.
Hannah Hadley: And that's starting at- Is that
Michael Zarick: the Pride part?
Yeah, at- Okay ...
Hannah Hadley: Pride Festival. So like, and that's starting at like 6:00 PM. Mm. So it's like, it's, it's later. Um, but for the most part, the, the footprint of Pride is gonna be [00:28:00] in White River Park, and it's all free. So that- Yeah ... that whole element is gonna be free. There's still, there's, uh, gonna be a stage on that side too, so there's gonna be music and different things.
But there's gonna be like- A family zone in front of, like, the Idlenjorg and, like, a sober space in the gardens by I- um, by Idlenjorg. And then we will be taking over, like, all of Celebration Plaza in White River. And then, um, there'll be vendors even, like, along the bridge as well. Mm. So- Oh, that's really cool
it's gonna be amazing. I've always thought
Michael Zarick: there should definitely be, like, a hot dog guy on the bridge at all times. Oh.
Hannah Hadley: I agree. Yeah. Um, but yeah. So I'm- I'm stoked. We're gonna have almost 150 vendors, which is... That is the biggest we've ever done. Um, I think our biggest events so far have been around 100- Mm-hmm
per day. Um, which- So it's
Michael Zarick: 150 per day, or is it-
Hannah Hadley: Yeah. So we, um- Saturday, [00:29:00] Sunday ... so Pride Festival we've almost pretty much filled. It's- it's about, I think we're at, like, 125 or something.
Michael Zarick: Mm-hmm.
Hannah Hadley: So we're really close. And then, um, we'll be setting up again on Sunday for Pet Pride, which I think a lot of people are kind of confused about how Pet Pride works.
But basically, like, Pet Pride has been, like, a whole separate event that, like, happens on a different weekend for the most part. Um, but, like, super popular in its own way in Indianapolis. And they decided, they were like, "Well, that's really silly that it would be-" Is
Michael Zarick: Pet an acronym, or does it just mean smaller version?
Hannah Hadley: No, like- like- like, you bring your pet to Pride. Oh. Yeah.
Michael Zarick: I did not know that. Yeah.
Hannah Hadley: Like, yeah. Like, it's all... Like, that's the, the, that's the thing is, like, it's Pride, but with all your, everybody's pets. Got it. That
Michael Zarick: makes it probably more enjoyable.
Hannah Hadley: Yeah. I think, like, there's definitely, like, a type of person that's like, "I'm not going to normal Pride, but I'm going to Pet Pride obviously."
Yeah. Um, so yeah. That used to be kind of like a separate thing, and so what we're trying to do is, like, actually [00:30:00] combine it into, like, one weekend of festivities- Mm-hmm ... and also take advantage of all of the rentals and different things that we have booked out on White River. Yeah. So, um, Pride Festival's happening Saturday, and then Sunday is Pet Pride, um, happening i- in the White River Park, the same space that Indy Gay Market will be in.
So, um, we have, like, a smaller group of vendors that day. I think we're at, like- S- we have like 80 signed up for that day. Mm-hmm. So, um, it wasn't quite as popular as like Pride, you know? Uh, we get it, but, but yeah. So, so we'll still have a little footprint that day, and it'll be fun.
Michael Zarick: Amazing. Yeah. Thank you for sharing.
Yeah. Uh, one last thing, because I think that, uh... Not think, I know Indy Gay Market is a giant group effort. Um, any shout-outs to give specifically for this year that are like some big helpers that you've had?
Hannah Hadley: Um, well, m- my [00:31:00] marketing team is pretty awesome. Uh, I've got Carly Valentine and, um, Amanda Marie Bell has been helping us out.
Mm-hmm. And so they've been doing all of the posters for all of our events, and, uh, they do way too much for way too little probably. Um, but I also have a, like a larger team, um, now that we're a 501[c][3]. We have like official board. Um, so my vice president, her name's Jay Drew, and um, she is like my rock, and I don't think I could do what we do at this large of a scale now without her.
Um, so she's, she's helping out with everything, keeping me organized while I organize. And, um, and then, uh, we have Quinn Taylor, who is pretty active in the community. Um, they are, are like- um, director of [00:32:00] development on our board. Mm. And, uh, Faith Wheat, who is our s- our board secretary, and then, uh, Angie Drew is our secretary, or our, our treasurer.
So, um, that core group is my lifeline, and then we have a even bigger team beyond that of people who have just very generously been like, "Hey, Hannah, this is a really cool event. Like, how do I help you?" Yeah. And I've just been like, "Yes." Um- Please help me. Please help me. And, and yeah, we've just, like, kind of figured it out from there.
So I think it's really important when you're doing something, like, this large that, like, you're not the only voice in the room, and so I, I, I lean on my team a lot and, like, am asking them constantly, like, "What do you think of this? What do you think of this?" Like, um, so like, I have a nice, like, sounding board of, like- Dope
opinions and Yeah. [00:33:00] So it's, shout out, shout out to my team. You're awesome.
Michael Zarick: Shout out to the team.
Hannah Hadley: Also shout out to, um, my ex-wife, Winnie Maxwell. She, uh, is also one of my rocks. Uh, her and I, when I started running the market, like, kind of, we, we're, like, doing it together, and then it was very clear, like, she was like, "This is very much more, like, your thing."
Um, she's like... But she's always supported me and, like, helped out with, like, anything I've needed and, and still to this day, like, is like, "Oh, do you need me to, like, drive 12 tents to the circle on Saturday? Okay, great. I'll come pick 'em up," you know? Like- So, um, yeah, she's awesome and has always been a big, big supporter of the market, and yeah, we still work very closely together, so
Michael Zarick: yeah.
Yeah. I love that. Thank you for answering.
Hannah Hadley: Yeah.
Michael Zarick: Um, I wanna talk a little bit about your band.
Okay.
You said you play guitar.
Yeah. You
said you sing.
Yeah.
Which is dope [00:34:00] i- in both cases. Um, what is the name of the band?
Hannah Hadley: It's, it's called Sonia.
Michael Zarick: Sonia?
Hannah Hadley: Yeah. Just-
Michael Zarick: Is that named after someone or just- No.
Hannah Hadley: No?
Michael Zarick: Okay.
Hannah Hadley: We, we, we just, we really like the name, like, the concept of, like, a, like, a mono...
What is, what is it, like, one, one word. Mm-hmm. Um, and it's a girl band, so we wanted it to just be, like, a woman's name.
Michael Zarick: Mm.
Hannah Hadley: Um, and so I think that's kinda how we came up with Sonia. But then there's been all these other, like, cool things where we're, like, validated of, like, yeah. That was the right name, you know?
That's
Michael Zarick: funny.
Hannah Hadley: Yeah.
Michael Zarick: Uh, what... How did you get started in, uh, this band? Like, how long have you been playing music? Mm. I mean, you're a music teacher. Yeah. So you've been playing music for a long time. Yeah. And then I'm sure there was just, like, a, "Hey-" 'Cause I don't know. I don't know what, how to ask the question, but like- Yeah
how did this all form?
Hannah Hadley: Yeah. Well, I, I've been playing in bands. Like, [00:35:00] I, I went to college in IU Bloomington, uh, at IU Bloomington. And then so I was kind of, like, involved in the punk scene there- Mm-hmm ... and played in several bands. And I had a project called Spacer for many years. Mm-hmm. Um, that kind of like slowly was dying around the time that Sonia formed.
And I was playing this house show in Indianapolis as Spacer. I was just doing like a solo thing where I just, like, sang over my music. Like, it was really, like, a grungy, uh- ... sort of thing. Like, dancing around and just singing onto a tape mix of stuff I made. And, um, uh, one of the, one of the future members of Sonia saw that set and was like, "Hey, I'm, I'm trying to form a band and we need a singer."
Uh, would you, like- They're like, "
Michael Zarick: I didn't like the taste, but your voice was awesome." [00:36:00]
Hannah Hadley: Well, yeah. And she was like, she's like, "Me and my friend, we've been writing music. We just- But we don't have any lyrics and we don't have any, like, anybody to sing. Um, so, like, can I send you them and, like, you see what I- see what you think?"
Which, like, if anyone else is a singer, that's like your dream come true is, like, someone just being like, "Here, I have all this music. Could you just, like, write words and- ... and sing on it?" Like, I was like, "Yeah, that sounds great." Um, but the even funnier thing was that they were trying to form a band because they really wanted to play this pool party.
Um- Oh .
Michael Zarick: Wait, how soon a- Yeah. They're like, "We gotta form in the next, uh- Yeah, like- ... three weeks." I
Hannah Hadley: think we had, like, a couple months. Okay, okay. It wasn't so crazy. But, uh, but yeah, like, they were just like, "Yeah, this one band. They're really cool and we really wanna play with them. And, uh, we got in- invited to do this pool party, and we really wanna do it."
So I was like, "Okay." I think the- I think, like, Oreo [00:37:00] Jones was involved. He was, like, playing this pool party. Oh.
Michael Zarick: Well, that's why they wanted to be there. Yeah,
Hannah Hadley: probably. Um, but that's, that's essentially why we, why f- we, why we formed, and it's pretty funny. So
Michael Zarick: is this, like, uh... You said girl band, but
Hannah Hadley: is it,
Michael Zarick: like- Mm-hmm
Hannah Hadley: punk? Yeah.
Michael Zarick: Like Bad Bad Hats type thing or?
Hannah Hadley: I would say, like, post p- It was a little, like, post-punk influences. We're kind of all over the place. I really like Talking Heads, like- Mm ... maybe a little bit of, like, whatever that is. Um, yeah, it's, it's definitely punk. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Michael Zarick: That's funny. Yeah. Uh, what about, like...
I don't know what to ask. I'm not a music guy.
Yeah.
I'm interest- I like, I, I think... So, all of my questions are always sort of based in this foundation of, like, community building and, and stuff like that. Mm-hmm. And I think that there's something to be said... This, this topic has come up a couple of times, which is, like, not only the death of the third space, but the [00:38:00] death of the, like, house party or the house show.
Hmm. Yeah. Um, do you feel like you're still finding good, um, gigs at houses that are just, like, kind of, kind of crunchy or kind of, like, a little in a, in a dank basement somewhere or anything like that? Or do you feel like that's actually just, like, something that we need to bring back?
Hannah Hadley: Yeah. I, I haven't played a house show in probably three or four years- Hmm
probably. Yeah. So, and then locally, not, not in a while. And I haven't been to one in a while locally. So it- is it dying? Do we need to bring it back? Uh-
Michael Zarick: Or I, uh- Yes. The other, the other dynamic here is that we are old now. Yeah. And, like, I think it's still happening, but we just don't know about it- 'Cause- ... no one wants to ask us.
Hannah Hadley: I absolutely believe in that. I think that that's probably true. I, I don't know how big of, like, house show scene Indy really had.
Michael Zarick: Mm-hmm.
Hannah Hadley: Um, but- Well, like
Michael Zarick: [00:39:00] Bloomington- Yeah ... I went to, like, a ton of random people's homes.
Hannah Hadley: Yeah. I would say most of the house shows that I've played in Indianapolis have actually been, like, more, like, living room shows.
Hmm. Like, not, like, in the, the basement, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Um, but I think it could potentially... Yeah, it, it's either s- it is happening and we just don't know about it, or, or, yeah, it c- it could come back.
Michael Zarick: If you for some reason are listening to this and you know about house shows, please reach out to me.
Yeah. I wanna know about if they exist at all.
Hannah Hadley: And ask Sonia to play one
Michael Zarick: please. And ask Sonia to play. We'll hook- I'll hook you up- Yeah. ... with a gig. Um, we're gonna move on to what I call the canned questions.
Okay.
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Hannah Hadley: Um It's like somewhere you can be around people, but you don't necessarily have to interact with them-
Michael Zarick: Hmm ... I
Hannah Hadley: would say. I like that. Yeah. Um, I'd say that's, that's part of it for me. Um, like I'm a, I'm an art teacher, so I also feel like art classes are this really cool third space for a lot of [00:41:00] people, where you get to be around people that you wouldn't normally be around.
Mm-hmm. And you're all, like, learning something new. Um, and I think that that's, like, a really special space. Um, but- Yeah, so
Michael Zarick: you teach textiles. Mm-hmm. Um, which just mean, for those listening, it's like fabrics or, like, wools or cottons, that type of thing- Mm-hmm ... if you don't know. I don't know.
Hannah Hadley: Fiber arts.
Michael Zarick: Fiber arts.
Yeah. Uh, what is it about, like... Uh, what do you find compelling about that type of, uh, medium?
Hannah Hadley: Uh, when I discover- discovered textiles, it was actually 'cause I was trying to take a ceramics class that got canceled. So it was
Michael Zarick: your fallback. You're like, "Oh,
Hannah Hadley: dang it." I was like, "I guess I'll take this class." Um, so it was a happy accident, and I just like, it was like everything that I loved combined, where you can...
It c- uh, textiles can be very [00:42:00] sculptural.
Michael Zarick: Hmm.
Hannah Hadley: Um, they are typically, like, created through some sort of very methodical process, uh, very labor-intensive. Um, and you can approach it from all different aspects. So, um, you know, you can be working with fabrics that you've bought, or you can be working with fabrics that you literally created from the ground up.
Um, so a lot of, like, fiber artists experiment with that, and, um, I'm one of the people that's, like, very interested in, like, the s- sort of sculptural element of fiber arts. I'm... When I was in art school, I did a lot of, like, performance art with fiber. That was kind- It was, so it was like, I was doing performance art, but then, like, fiber was sort of, like, the extra thing- Yeah
besides the performance. So, um, I just li- I loved how flexible it was as an art form and, um, I, [00:43:00] I've just met a lot of really cool, wonderful people being a, being a fiber artist and yeah.
Michael Zarick: It's, like, such a- Like, to me, like ceramics or stained glass or painting are like such obvious art forms- Yeah ... but you don't think of like clothing or textiles as like a thing that, uh, people spend a ton of time doing.
And so like to hear- Yeah ... you talk about it with such like, uh, positive sentiment I think is really nice. Yeah. Um, so you do more sculptural stuff rather than like clothing?
Hannah Hadley: Oh, I make a lot of clothes. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Michael Zarick: Where, do you think part of the like, uh, compelling aspect to it for you is the ability to create your own clothing?
Hannah Hadley: Absolutely. Yeah? I think as someone who's like very interested in textures and color and different things, like, the ability to just make your own shirt or pants. And then, and then like the f- the fact of it, it's like you made it and it feels really special to you, and then [00:44:00] you get to wear it. So it's not like a painting you put on the wall, it's like a painting you get to like wear to work.
Um, I really like that aspect of it. But I, I'd say like most of my clothing creation is personal. Like, it's like just my fun therapy thing, you know? I'm not like putting them in a, a art gallery like, "This is a shirt I made." That's funny.
Michael Zarick: A couple of, uh- Yeah ... months ago, it's still there, one of them is still there, but, um, at Newfields they had like a dress- Mm-hmm
exhibit. Mm-hmm. And it was so cool, like the... 'Cause it was from, oh, no, my wife is not gonna be happy that I forget. What's the, not RuPaul's, is it RuPaul's Drag Race?
Hannah Hadley: Drag Race?
Michael Zarick: Maybe. It was like something to do with, uh, I think it was drag focused- Yeah ... uh, dresses. Mm-hmm. And they were so sick. Cool. And like the ability to like create these, what are, it is an art form.
Yeah. Like these beautiful forms that create, that evoke a certain [00:45:00] emotion or, or, um, like thought or memory, that type of thing. Mm-hmm. Or, uh, I think is really interesting and cool. Yeah. Yeah.
Hannah Hadley: Absolutely. I would, I would definitely agree. I think drag is a, a place where, um, a lot of like cool costuming can exist that can't exist other places.
Mm-hmm. Um, and you get real- you can get really minute or you can get really bizarre and totally get away with it and be celebrated for it. Yeah. I love that. It's awesome.
Michael Zarick: There was one that looked like a pseudo armor or some, or at least that was what it was trying to like evoke, and I was like, "This is sick."
Yeah. I was like, "We should all just wear armor around." Absolutely. Yeah. Um, follow-up question to the previous question, um, which is what is a third space or place that has existed for you previously- Mm-hmm ... but no longer does?
Hannah Hadley: Uh, churches. Mm.
Michael Zarick: Yeah. Were you raised, like, Catholic [00:46:00] or a separate-
Hannah Hadley: I was raised non-denominational Christian Mm.
I went to Grace Community Church up in, I think it's Noblesville.
Michael Zarick: Yeah.
Hannah Hadley: Um, and when I went to college, I definitely, like, fell away from all that. I, like, tried to go to church in college and, like- Mm, I just realized that my mental health was, like, way better when I didn't.
Michael Zarick: Mm-hmm. I remember being a freshman in college.
My mom was like, "Michael, there's a Catholic church over here. Go meet a nice Catholic girl." Yeah. I remember that conversation.
Hannah Hadley: Yeah. And like, yeah, so and then, like, and then obviously, like, I, I, like, kinda came out to myself, like, later in life. Like, I was probably, like, 18 or 19 when I realized, like, "Oh, I'm, I'm queer," like Yeah
um, I just, I like... I was so, like, Christian that, like, I describe it to people of like I didn't have a sexuality as, like, a teenager.
Michael Zarick: Oh, interesting. Like I, I was- It [00:47:00] was just, like, no- I was just like- ... no thought in your brain ... no.
Hannah Hadley: Just, like, I was asexual, like, completely. Yeah. Um, so I didn't really, like, get to explore my sexuality till, like, I was, like, a full-grown adult.
Um, and, um, and then yeah, it just, it just really complicated my, my faith. And I know a lot of, I know a lot of, like, gay and, and queer people do have, like, a faith practice, and go to church, and, and do all that. But I don't know why, but, like, as a, I, as a bisexual, like, it's, it's almost, like, harder. Um-
Michael Zarick: Oh, that's interesting
I don't
Hannah Hadley: know. Yeah. Like, I feel like when you're like, you're like, "I'm a full gay," uh, and then, like, I can, like, accept this, but it's, like, almost like there's just... It was just so hard, like, growing up because, like, when you're bisexual, it's like you, you get the, the, the, like, hyper-Christian person being like, "Well, why don't you just choose to," you know, like-
to not, you know, just choose the person that's not gay to love. Yeah. Like, well, I can't, I can't do that. Yeah. That's an- It doesn't happen that way. That's an
Michael Zarick: [00:48:00] interesting, uh, dynamic that- Yeah ... like, is there, um-
Hannah Hadley: Yeah. So there's a, there's a lot of, like, still, like... I feel like that's a, a place where there's a lot of shame I have to, like, fight.
And, um, yeah, it almost became a, a place where, like, m- yeah, like, it affected my mental health. Like, I would start... I would try to go to a church service, and I would, like, have a panic attack.
Michael Zarick: I don't think that's supposed to happen.
Hannah Hadley: Yeah. And then I was like, "Okay, I think, I think-
Michael Zarick: Yeah. Do you... Not to- ... this is not for me."
Yeah ... and please don't answer if the answer is no. Mm-hmm. Um, are there any, like, positive associations with church if you think of it as a third space originally, or-
Hannah Hadley: Absolutely. Okay. Um, yeah, absolutely. Singing.
Michael Zarick: Hmm. I- Oh. Yeah. The origin story.
Hannah Hadley: Absolutely. Um, yeah, yeah, singing is, is, is really, really, uh... I love that.
And I actually was a part of the Indianapolis Women's Chorus for a few years. Mm-hmm. And they meet in, like, a, a church and, um, do [00:49:00] their practices in a church. And, um, that was, I think, part of my, like, healing journey, uh, was, like, being a part of that group and, um, singing songs of, like, hope, and joy, and, like, um, but having a lot more, like, a radical, like, um, group.
Like, they're, they're a very, like- social, like, they're very, um, politically, I would say they're a very politically active choir. And, uh, there was a lot of, like, really passionate, um, cool old ladies in that choir I love. Um, and a lot of young people. And it's a very queer-friendly pri- choir. It was actually sort of the twin to the Indianapolis Men's Chorus, which is sort of a...
I don't think it's, like, exclusively gay male choir at this point in time, but it definitely started as a, as like a gay male choir. Oh, that's interesting. Um, and so the Indianapolis Women's Chorus was the lesbian choir that was, like, their twin. Um, and they both kinda [00:50:00] started during the, when the AIDS pand- um, AIDS epidemic was hitting Indianapolis in, like, the '90s.
Um, so they're both really, really cool groups, uh, that people should support. And that was a little tangent. So the
Michael Zarick: Indianapolis- Sorry ... Men's Chorus- Mm-hmm ... and the Indianapolis Women's Chorus. Yes. Got you. Okay.
Hannah Hadley: Yeah.
Michael Zarick: Uh, just making sure I got that right.
Hannah Hadley: If anybody wants to sing in a choir, great places to
Michael Zarick: do it.
I almost joined, uh... I was, like, a theater kid in waiting. It just, like, never happened.
Yeah. You know?
I don't know how to expl- Yeah ... like, I almost did plays. I almost did, like, uh, performance art. I almost joined, like, multiple singing groups in college. Yeah. Just never man- I was too afraid, basically. Yeah. Uh, never manifested in that way.
So I can definitely see how that could be, like, a wonderful experience to have had. Yeah. Every episode, transition. Every episode I ask a question from the previous guest. The previous guest for this episode was City County Councilor [00:51:00] Jesse Brown of District 13, or wait, City County Councilor of District 13, Jesse Brown.
There we go. Uh, he asks... I'm gonna get the exact phrasing. I wrote it down
What is a rule that you wish would go away in people's hearts, not only the law?
Hannah Hadley: Whoa. Okay. In people's hearts.
Michael Zarick: Yeah, so like, uh, in Amer- the... I'm gonna give you an example. I didn't answer the question, but I-
Okay ...
I wish there was not such a taboo against eating insects.
Okay.
That's a wonderful, uh, environmentally friendly food source to an extent.
Uh, and people may not like that, but I'm- that's a rule I think people should get away from. Other cultures do it. Other cultures eat insects.
Mm-hmm. So
like, just something, um, not to guide your answer in any way. Um, hopefully [00:52:00] there's something else, but yeah.
Hannah Hadley: This is really silly, but, um-
Gr- gram- like, having everything be, like, grammatically correct
Michael Zarick: Hmm. Oh, I love language.
Hannah Hadley: You know the people that are like, will email you back and be like, "You mean you're, your?"
Michael Zarick: You've had people email you
Hannah Hadley: that Y- yeah. Yeah. That's
Michael Zarick: crazy.
Hannah Hadley: Not, like, you're, your?
Michael Zarick: Yeah.
Hannah Hadley: Yeah. I, I wish p- that rule would die in people's hearts because- I only do
Michael Zarick: that if, uh-
Hannah Hadley: As someone who's dyslexic, I don't...
I, I will make a lot of, like, grammar, grammar mistakes. I don't see them.
Michael Zarick: Hmm.
Hannah Hadley: And I also don't think it matters.
Michael Zarick: Yeah.
Hannah Hadley: Like, that's not, like, a worthwhile, like, exchange of like- I love this,
Michael Zarick: I love this answer. Yeah. Okay. Um, first of all, I only do that if the person is on, like, Facebook or Instagram being a- Okay
being a dick.
Oh, [00:53:00] sure.
It's like-
Hannah Hadley: Yeah ...
Michael Zarick: it's like, if you're gonna be annoying, at least do it correctly.
Hannah Hadley: Sure. Yeah, yeah. I, I would support that
Michael Zarick: for sure.
I was watching a YouTube... So there's, um, you know Hank Green? I don't. He's John Green's brother. Oh, cool. John Green the writer. Okay. Um, so Hank Green, um, has a YouTube channel and he does this thing where he like asks other YouTube personalities, or has them ask him questions. Like any question.
Okay.
Um, and I watched a video yesterday with, uh, Josh Schrier, I think his name...
I don't know his name. Josh something. Uh, and he asked the question, like, how correct should we be saying words from other languages in English but like in- Mm ... an accent? So like should you say spaghetti- Yeah ... instead of spaghetti? You know what I mean? So like we f- fipe- or like pho.
Mm-hmm.
And like in English if you read the word pho it's just pho.
Right.
Like, uh, how... Like we are so [00:54:00] hyper-fixated on certain pronunciations for language and communication when I think, personally at the end of the day, the most important thing is that you understand what is being said.
Hannah Hadley: I would, I would support that statement 100%. Yeah.
Michael Zarick: How about that?
Hannah Hadley: Yeah, yeah, yeah. When people get really nitty-gritty about the, the pronunciation, uh...
I came up, it came up like last night actually of like fi- filet or filet.
Michael Zarick: Filet. Yeah, filet is like so British.
Hannah Hadley: Yeah. I feel like
Michael Zarick: you should be able to make fun of people for that.
Hannah Hadley: Yeah. My partner was like, "Hey, did you have enough filet, filet?" And I was like, "You mean filet?"
Michael Zarick: Uh-huh.
Hannah Hadley: And he was like, he was like, "No, no.
It's filet." It... I was like, "Okay." And then he looked it up and it was like, no, it doesn't matter.
Michael Zarick: Yeah. Oh, yeah. I was right. Yeah, that's what I think, I think the British, uh, pronunciation they say filet.
Hannah Hadley: Yeah.
Michael Zarick: Um, or like tortilla. Like tortilla.
Hannah Hadley: Yeah.
Michael Zarick: Like-
Hannah Hadley: Yeah ... it's- As long as you [00:55:00] understand what they're saying.
As long as you
Michael Zarick: understand what they're saying, it, it might be a little- Yeah, you're not offending anybody ... it might be a little annoying to you. Yeah. Or like, uh, the other example they gave was gyro or gyro or gyro.
Okay. Yeah, yeah.
Like that food. A lot of it is based in food. Um, but there's all sorts, sorts of words like that.
Yeah. And I just think at the end of the day, like it's important that you just understand. Um-
Hannah Hadley: Yeah ... you just... Yeah. The, the thing that's being said is understood, yeah.
Michael Zarick: As long as you're not being annoying. Oh, sure. But like, also like- If someone
Hannah Hadley: has a stated preference and then you're like explicitly ignoring it, well then fuck you.
But like ... Well,
Michael Zarick: that's also what they said is like- Yeah ... if it's people's names you should say it how they want.
Hannah Hadley: Absolutely. Like- Yeah ... you should
Michael Zarick: absolutely, uh, respect the way people wanna be treated and stuff.
Hannah Hadley: Yeah, yeah. Um. But if it's just a couple of like white people arguing about filet versus filet-
then it's probably not a big deal. That's
Michael Zarick: so funny. Um, well, Hannah, I don't have any other questions. Is there anything else on your heart, on your mind? on your lips. [00:56:00] I don't know what I'm saying. That you want... That's a really weird way to say that. Uh, that you wanna talk about?
Hannah Hadley: Um, no. I mean, I just, I appreciate everybody that's supported the, the Big Gay Market, and I've been getting a lot of, like, people who are like, "You guys do events, like, all the time."
And I think it's just 'cause we're consistent. Um, we do events, like, every two months.
Michael Zarick: Mm-hmm.
Hannah Hadley: Um, and they each have a theme, which I never talk about that. Well, you said every
Michael Zarick: two mon- every two months. This, this next one is in within two weeks.
Hannah Hadley: Oh, yeah. That, that, that- Pri- June, Pride, everything goes out the door.
All the plans that we made for the year, we're just like, "Oh, okay. Pride wants to do an event, so I guess we have to do it." Yeah. No, we're just kidding. We're, we're lucky. Um, but yeah, so, um, but I don't know. I, I think, I, I keep worrying that, like, eventually people are gonna get bored of us [00:57:00] and, like, stop showing up.
Um, but we're always keeping it fresh, and there's so much talent in this city. Uh, it blows me away- Mm-hmm ... as someone who gets to, like, go through it methodically and, like, select people for different events. Um, I'm doing my best to make sure that people who deserve it are, are getting highlighted and, um, getting elevated and, um, there's a huge popularity for us, like, on the vendor side.
Like, we get way too many applications. Like, we don't have the capacity to, like, host events big enough to, like, have everybody that applies. But we're trying our best. Uh, we do, like, a lot of work to rotate and make sure that we are not, like, rejecting people repeatedly, um, just because I don't... Like, it is a curated event, but I also see it as a, a community event, so I'm not, I am definitely not trying to exclude [00:58:00] anyone from that community if they, um, are doing cool stuff and deserve to be there.
So
Michael Zarick: yeah. Yeah. All right. Thanks for answering. Uh, one last question. What question would you like to ask the next Third Space Indy guest?
Hannah Hadley: Okay, I feel like I have to ask this 'cause we're at the Art Center. And I would just really be interested to know people's answer, but, uh, what is something that you have, a new skill that you have had to leave your house to learn?
Michael Zarick: Oh, they're gonna have a great answer for this.
Hannah Hadley: Yeah?
Michael Zarick: Yeah.
Hannah Hadley: What's your answer?
Michael Zarick: I think we're, I think we're out here doing it.
Hannah Hadley: Uh,
Michael Zarick: I, you know, when I, when I started this podcast I was unemployed. Mm-hmm. Um, and there's something really
Uh [00:59:00] It's really difficult to, one, be able to communicate your ideas- Mm-hmm ... do it effectively, and do it in a way that compels people. Um, and I've gotten a lot of practice doing that, um, at least I think I compel people, um, on this podcast, which is, like, just sitting down and talking to someone, the art of conversation, and I d- I do think it is an art.
Mm-hmm. There are some people who are really hard to talk to. Um, but you're not one of them. Um, and being able to communicate your ideas and share with other people and, and tell stories in an effective way- Yeah ... is something that I think I have had to leave my house and do this podcast to learn.
Hannah Hadley: Yeah.
Yeah, that's, that's super cool. Yeah. Yeah.
Michael Zarick: Totally. Love it. Great question. Uh, and I think they will enjoy the question as well.
Cool.
Uh, Hannah Hadley, thank you so much for joining me on the podcast. If you want to be found, you or the Indy Gay Market want to be found-
Hannah Hadley: Mm-hmm ...
Michael Zarick: tell the people where to [01:00:00] find you.
Hannah Hadley: You can find lots of cool stuff on our website, Indygaymarket.com. Um, super easy. Uh, we've got Instagram, Facebook for Indy Gay Market. You can find me, uh, online on Instagram. I'm bananapunk1.
Michael Zarick: Wait, wait, where did that come from? I need to know.
Hannah Hadley: Well, Hannah and banana- Hannah
Michael Zarick: banana, okay ... and
Hannah Hadley: then I just, punk feels like the only descriptor word that I can-
vibe with because, yeah, I don't really know.
Michael Zarick: Bananapunk1.
Hannah Hadley: Yeah. So.
Michael Zarick: And then, uh, Indy Gay Market is Indy Gay Market?
Hannah Hadley: Yeah, it's just-
Michael Zarick: On Instagram? ... Indy Gay
Hannah Hadley: Market, yeah.
Michael Zarick: What's the website?
Hannah Hadley: Indygaymarket.com.
Michael Zarick: Perfect, and you said your email earlier, which is Hannah@-
Hannah Hadley: Oh, yeah, feel free to email me. I love a- I'm sure you get a lot
I love an old school email. I love emails. Hannah@Indygaymarket.com.
Michael Zarick: Amazing. Yeah, yeah. Well, thank you so much for sharing, and thank you so much for watching or listening to this [01:01:00] episode of Third Space Indy. You can find me by going to Third Space Indy on Instagram or by going to thirdspaceindy.com where I write a blog and show notes.
Uh, you can also give me money if you want. I'ma start saying that straight up. Yeah, sure. This is hard work.
Hannah Hadley: You can give Indy Gay Market money, too.
Michael Zarick: You can give Indy Gay Market and the vendors that go, "Wait, there's... Oh, 'cause you're at 501c3, you can donate." Yeah, yeah. Let's go. Yeah. Donate to me or Indy Gay Market.
Uh- Probably him first. Oh, I have another sponsor. Hey, I appreciate that.
Third Space Indy is also sponsored by Proformus. Proformus is an urban planning and design firm that helps neighbors and communities shape the places they already love. Based in Indianapolis, they're here to help you make your place happen one block at a time. And thank you much s- so much to City Rising also.
Uh, and as always, thank you to the local artist Jennasen for letting me use your song Scared Rabbit as the intro song. Thank you, Jennasen. Uh, thank you so much for watching. Thank you so much for Hannah Hadley for coming on. We had a great morning. Uh, thank you once again for watching. [01:02:00] See you in the next one.
Goodbye.
Bye.
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